[I. Call To Order]
          [II. Announcements]
          [III. Approve the Final Agenda]
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          HOME OCCUPATION LICENSE AND SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO STRENGTHEN IT FOR, EXCUSE ME, FOR BEAUTY SALONS AND BARBERSHOPS. OKAY. YOU WANT TO STEP INTO THAT SOUNDS WONDERFUL. 
          YEAH, I DO. ALRIGHT. SO HAVING HEARD HIS MOTION TO ADD A COUPLE THINGS TO THE AGENDA, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF ADDING THOSE TWO ITEMS TO THE AGENDA AND APPROVING THE FINAL AGENDA AS PRESENTED, PLUS HIS TWO ADDITIONS. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. WE WILL ADD THOSE TO THE FINAL AGENDA. THANK YOU. AND I WILL PUT THEM BEFORE WE GET INTO THE. TEXT, TEXT AMENDMENTS. AND LET'S SEE. APPROVE THE MINUTES 
          [IV. Approve Minutes of Last Meeting]
FROM THE LAST MINUTE MEETING. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR MOVED SECOND. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO SECOND AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. WITHOUT A READING OF THEM SOMEWHERE I READ. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO READ THESE THINGS, BUT WE DON'T. BUT. SO WE'LL APPROVE THEM WITHOUT READING THEM. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A MOTION FROM SOMEBODY TO MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. MAKE A MOTION. WE MOVE INTO PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. WE ARE NOW IN THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION. AND THE FIRST 
          [V.A.1. Rezoning - 2226 Roanoke Rd - Sims (APN 0711A000001) 1st Reading - Vote Eligible]
ITEM IS A REZONING. AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HANDLE THAT. YES. MR. TODD SIMMS, HE'S HERE. 
          I'M ASSUMING HE IS ALRIGHT. REPRESENTING THE SIMMS TIMBERLAND COMPANY HAS PLACED AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING OF 8.2 ACRES OF A 19.96 ACRE PARCEL, FROM SUBURBAN MEDIUM DENSITY TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THIS PARCEL IS CURRENTLY ZONED SUBURBAN MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THERE ARE CURRENTLY. INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USE USES ACTIVE ON THE PARCEL. THE STANDARDS IS MET. ALL OF THE STANDARDS AND ON THE LAST PORTION, THE PARCEL IS CURRENTLY SERVED WITH PUBLIC WATER. THERE IS NO CURRENT INTENT TO SERVE THE RESULTING PARCEL WITH SEWER IN SERVICE. ALL ITEMS WERE. THE NEWSPAPER WAS PLACED IN THE NEWSPAPER ON JULY 25TH AND THE SIGNS. POSTED ON JULY 26TH. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S TWO BIG BUILDINGS. THOSE BIG BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY USED FOR INDUSTRIAL. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, SO THIS WOULD CORRECT THAT USE. IF HE SPLITS OFF THAT ACREAGE, THE INTENT IS TO TAKE THAT ACREAGE, TAKE 6.80 ACREAGE FROM THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THAT'S TO THE EAST, 
          [00:05:01]
TO THE WEST OF IT, AND COMBINE THOSE TO MAKE ONE PARCEL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL PARCEL, AND THAT WILL CORRECT THE PARCELS. AND THE ZONING USES. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS SORT OF A PLAYING CATCH UP TO WHAT HE'S ALREADY DOING THERE. RIGHT. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          YEAH. SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR MR. SIMS OR THE STAFF. ALRIGHT. 
          I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS REZONING REQUEST? SEEING NO RESPONSE, NOBODY WANTS TO TALK FOR OR AGAINST IT. 
          GOOD DAY FOR US. HOW WOULD THE BOARD LIKE TO PROCEED? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE. 
          SECOND. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. TODD, YOU DON'T NEED TO STICK AROUND AND WATCH UNLESS YOU JUST BORED TO DEATH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THE NEXT ONE IS A REZONING OF A PARCEL 
          [V.A.2. Rezoning - 3097 West Point Rd - Allen (APN 0713B000048) 1st Reading - Vote Eligible]
THAT IS OWNED BY BENNY ALLEN. HE PLACED THE APPLICATION. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT ALSO NEED TO BE CORRECTED. IT WAS A SPLIT ZONING AND AS OF AUGUST 1ST, WE HAD PLACED THAT PARCEL AS RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS SUBURBAN, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. BUT THERE IS A COMMERCIAL USE ON THERE AND HAS BEEN ON THERE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT CORRECTED SO WE CAN COME IN LINE WITH THE USE. THE PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PLACED IN THE NEWSPAPER ON JULY 25TH, 2026. 
          AND THE SIGNPOST, I MEAN YEAH, 2026 AND SIGN WAS POSTED ON. 72626. AND AS I STATED PRIOR TO THE BEFORE, IS THAT IT IS USED AS COMMERCIAL AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET IT REZONED TO LIMITED COMMERCIAL FROM SUBURBAN MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A ONCE AGAIN, A CATCH UP. YES TO MATCH WHAT IS ACTUALLY THERE. YES, SIR. OKAY, ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR ANYBODY. ANY COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS? SEEING NONE, HOW WOULD THE BOARD LIKE TO PROCEED? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT? SECOND. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE REZONING. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. 
          [V.B.1. Home Occupation - 565 Sivell Rd - Swann (APN 0403B000001A) 1st Reading - Vote Eligible]
THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THE NEXT ONE THAT I HAVE IS A HOME OCCUPATION CERTIFICATE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY JUSTICE SWANN FOR 565 SEVILLE ROAD. MR. SWANN WOULD LIKE TO GET APPROVAL TO OPERATE A MOBILE MECHANIC AND TIRE SELLING BUSINESS ON A 98.9 ACRE PARCEL THAT'S LOCATED IN THE SUBURBAN MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, A MOBILE MECHANIC AND TIRE SELLING BUSINESS IS NOT LISTED AS A PERMITTED HOME OCCUPATION UNDER A SUBURBAN MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE PARCEL OVER TWO ACRES. THEREFORE, THIS APPLICATION REQUEST MUST BE APPROVED BY THE TWO COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AFTER A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE STANDARDS, AS IS THE SAME FOR ALL. BUSINESSES THAT IS OPERATED ON A PARCEL THAT'S OVER TWO ACRES, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO, I WOULD GO OVER THE STANDARDS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW. DO WE NEED THE STANDARDS? OKAY. THE RECOMMENDATION, IF APPROVED, THE APPLICANT MUST OBTAIN ALL PERMITS AND ALL APPROVALS PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUSINESS LICENSE. THE FIRE MARSHAL SAID MUST MEET THE FIRE LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR 400 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY BUILDING. AND ROSELAND ENGINEERING STIPULATES THAT THE DRIVEWAY SHOULD MEET THE STANDARDS OF A COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY PRIOR TO THE BUSINESS LICENSE BEING ISSUED. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO MEET THE CONDITIONS OF A COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY? I THINK OUR I THINK OUR INTENT THERE WAS TO TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMERCIAL USE WOULD BE ACTIVE ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS. THERE WAS SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS A 
          [00:10:03]
MOBILE MECHANIC SERVICE AND TIRE CHANGING SERVICE THAT WOULD ONLY TAKE ALL BUSINESS AT THE CUSTOMER'S LOCATION, OR WHETHER SOME OF THE BUSINESS WOULD TAKE PLACE ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING DELIVERY OF TIRES, DELIVERY OF PARTS. IF THERE'S IF THERE'S ANY SUBSTANTIAL COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC COMING TO THE LOCATION. THE DRIVEWAY IS A SINGLE LANE, UNPAVED DRIVEWAY COMING OFF OF THE END OF A PAVED ROAD, RIGHT WHERE SEVILLE ROAD TRANSITIONS FROM THE COUNTY MAINTAINED PAVED ROAD TO AN EXTENSION ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 600FT OR SO. THAT IS A PRIVATE, UNPAVED ROAD MAINTAINED BY MULTIPLE HOMEOWNERS. AND SO TYPICALLY ANY ANY COMMERCIAL USE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY ABOUT 50FT OF TWO LANE PAVED DRIVEWAY WHERE IT TIES ONTO THE PUBLIC ROAD. THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR A COMMERCIAL ZONING. IT'S A REQUEST FOR HOME OCCUPATION. AND SO THERE'S JUST STILL, I THINK, SOME QUESTION AS TO EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF USE THIS WOULD BE, IF IT WOULD BE INTENSE ENOUGH TO NECESSITATE MORE OF A COMMERCIAL STANDARD SO THAT IT WOULD BE A DRIVEWAY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE COUNTY ROAD RIGHT OF WAY OR ON THE WELL. HE'S NOT ON THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY. YOU SAID IT WAS A PRIVATE OFF A PRIVATE ROAD. WELL, IT'S RIGHT WHERE IT TRANSITIONS. IT'S RIGHT AT THE END. SO IF I BRING UP A STREET VIEW OF IT, THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER WAY TO. EXPLAIN. IF IT'S LIKE MY INTERNET IS IS RUNNING SLOW THIS MORNING, I GUESS TO ME, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH. IT'S HIS DRIVEWAY. WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE GOING TO MAKE HIM HOLD A TWO LANE PAVED DRIVEWAY AT THE END OF A PRIVATE ROAD? THE. THE PROPERTY IS IS RESIDENTIAL ZONING, AND THE REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIAL USE THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMETHING THAT'S NOT JUST TYPICAL IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, A, A MECHANIC SERVICE IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD GENERALLY BE IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE. OKAY. BUT IN THE NEW ORDINANCES, WHICH WE'RE GETTING READY TO LOOK AT APPROVING, THIS IS A RIGHT ON A LOT OVER FIVE ACRES. 
          NO, IT IS NOT A PERMITTED USE ON A LOT. OVER FIVE ACRES IS AN AUTO SHOP IN THE FIVE USE FIVE ACRES. IF YOU GO TO THE. SORRY, LOOK AT THAT. AT THE END OF THE ORDINANCE, IF YOU LOOK AT NOT PERMITTED AUTO, AUTO AND AUTO MECHANIC AND TIRES ARE NOT PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL. WELL, YOU'VE GOT PERMITTED RESIDENTIAL HOME OCCUPATIONS, AGRICULTURAL EQUIPMENT REPAIR. 
          WE DO HAVE THAT ONE. BUT THIS IS NOT AGRICULTURAL EQUIPMENT REPAIR. THIS IS AN AUTO SHOP. 
          SO IF HE RENAMES IT, HE CAN DO IT. IF HE'S TRULY DOING AGRICULTURAL VEHICLE REPAIR, IF HE'S TRULY DOING THAT, IF IT'S A MOBILE SERVICE AND HE'S NOT DOING ANYTHING ON SITE, AND THAT IS WHY IT NEEDS TO COME TO YOU GUYS, BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO USE A 400 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO STORE EQUIPMENT. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIED. EXACTLY. WHAT ARE YOU STORING THERE? MEANING TIRES. IF HE'S STORING TIRES, IT'S NOT ALLOWED, SIR. OKAY. 
          WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T STORE TIRES FOR HIS BUSINESS? BECAUSE THAT IS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY. AND WHEN YOU DISPOSE TIRES. OKAY, IF WE'RE GIVING SOMEBODY A LICENSE TO COMMIT TO DO BUSINESS, HE CAN'T DO HIS BUSINESS. HE CAN DO BUSINESS OFF SITE. HE CANNOT DO THE BUSINESS ON SITE. HOW'S HE GOING TO HAVE STORES DO HIS BUSINESS IF HE CAN'T HAVE TIRES? IT'S THE SAME THING WITH HOME OCCUPATIONS FOR PLUMBERS AND ELECTRICIANS AND, WELL, THEY CAN KEEP THEM IN THIS NEW THING. THEY CAN PUT THEM IN A BUILDING. IF YOU READ THIS THING, YOU CAN HAVE A BUILDING. IS THAT A PLUMBER ASKING FOR A HOME OCCUPATION LICENSE IS NOT DOING THE PLUMBING THERE ON SITE. HE'S NOT EITHER. HE'S GOING OUT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING. YEAH. 
          RIGHT. SO BUT ONCE AGAIN, AUTO REPAIR IT DIDN'T IT DOES NOT DELINEATE BETWEEN MOBILE AND STATIONARY. IT'S JUST AS AUTO REPAIR IS NOT ALLOWED. WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT IF YOU GO UNDER THE SECTION WHERE IT HAS LESS THAN TWO ACRES, IT'LL SAY THAT AT THE BOTTOM AND 
          [00:15:04]
AMBULANCE SERVICES IS PART OF THAT. AND THEN IF YOU GO INTO THE OVER TWO ACRES, IT SAYS, LOOKING AT SECTION THREE, WHICH WE WENT OVER THE OTHER DAY, RESIDENTIAL HOME OCCUPATIONS OVER TWO ACRES, AND IT'LL TELL YOU THAT IT ALSO INCLUDES ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE PREVIOUS UNDER TWO ACRES. SO IT'S NOT JUST WHAT'S ON ON THE OVER TWO ACRES. EVERYTHING ELSE IN ON THE TWO ACRES IS ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED. SO WE'LL HAVE WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT. SO WHERE IS SECTION 5.1. IF YOU GO DOWN AFTER THE LESS THAN ONE ACRE AT THE VERY END OF THE. THE. IS IT IN THIS THING YOU. IT IS NOT. THE ORDINANCE IS NOT IN HERE. OKAY. BUT IF YOU GO AT THE END OF THAT SECTION FOR THE UNDER ONE ACRE FOR HOME OCCUPATION, THERE'S ONE THAT SAID PROHIBITED USES. AND ACTUALLY WHEN YOU. WHEN THE NEW ORDINANCE IS CODIFIED ON MUNICODE, YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT BOTH OF THOSE SECTIONS DOES HAVE THE PROHIBITED ON THERE. AND THAT IS PROHIBITED. SO THAT ONE HAS NOT BEEN CODIFIED THAT YET, BUT IT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WITH THOSE CHANGES. WHICH ONE WAS THAT? OH, GOSH, IT WAS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WHEN WE DID RIGHT BEFORE WE DID THE DATA CENTER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO HE CAN DO AN AGRICULTURAL EQUIPMENT REPAIR AS A PERMITTED HOME OCCUPATION FOR VEHICLES, EQUIPMENT AND MACHINERY USED IN AG WORK. ALL RIGHT. ON FIVE ACRES. BUT HE CAN'T FIX CAR TIRES OFF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE HE CAN'T STORE HIS TIRES ON HIS PROPERTY. AND THIS IS WHY WE BROUGHT IT BEFORE YOU GUYS TO MAKE THE DECISION. IF YOU WANT TO DECIDE THAT HE CAN DO IT, WHO WOULD DO IT? BUT THIS WE CANNOT DECIDE ADMINISTRATIVELY. IT HAS TO BE DECIDED BY THE BOARD OF ZONING AND THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. SO I THINK WE NEED THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK I THINK THAT IS WE'RE MAKING THE ASSUMPTIONS OF WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO AND WHAT HE'S NOT GOING TO DO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RUTH OR ANYBODY. SO ALL RIGHT. COME ON UP, YOUNG MAN. TELL US WHO YOU ARE. I'M JESSE SWAN, I'M THE OWNER OF KEEP ROLLING MOBILE TIRE AND AUTO. I GOT SOME PICTURES AND STUFF OUT FOR Y'ALL. THIS IS WHERE THE WHERE THE TRAILER AND TRUCK WILL BE STORED. THE CIRCLES OF THE HOUSES ARE. YOU GOT THREE CIRCLES. WHICH ONE IS WHICH? NOW? THE ONE WHERE THE LINE IS GOING. THAT IS THE HOUSE, THAT ROAD. AND THIS IS MY SETUP. SO OKAY, THIS IS ALL THAT I CAN TRUST. OKAY? THERE'S GOING TO BE A. WHERE'S THE CIRCLES? YEAH, YEAH. IT'S ALL BACK IN THE WOODS. YEAH. YES, SIR. IT'S IT'S ABOUT 1800FT FROM THE ROAD. CAN YOU THE TRAILER FIRST I SEE JESSE, YOU'RE JESSE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. YOU'RE THE APPLICANT. BUT I SEE THE OWNER'S NAME IS TIMOTHY ROBINSON. THAT'S THAT'S WHO'S OVER THE TRUST OF THE PROPERTY. 
          HE DOES HAVE A PERMISSION. YEAH, I GOT THE WE HAVE A COPY OF IT. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE LEASING THE PROPERTY OR. THAT'S MY UNCLE. THAT'S MY UNCLE, I LIVE THERE. YES, SIR. I DON'T RENT IT OR ANYTHING. I JUST LIVE THERE. IT'S MY UNCLE. HE'S A TRUST FUND BABY. THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. APPROPRIATE OR FOR HIS APPLICANT TO MAKE AN APPLICATION IN THE NAME OF THE. HE'S NOT. YES, AS LONG AS HE HAS A PROPERTY OWNER'S PERMISSION FORM. AND IT WAS THE AFFIDAVIT WAS NOTARIZED? YES. AND THE BUSINESS IS 100% MOBILE. 
          NO CUSTOMERS OR WAITING AREA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WILL BE HAPPENING ON SITE. ALL WORK WILL PERFORM OFFSITE. IS THIS RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL WORK THAT YOU DO? COMMERCIAL? I MEAN, ARE YOU ARE YOU FIXING INDIVIDUAL CARS OR TRUCKS, INDIVIDUALS NOT TRUCKS? NOT NECESSARILY. NO. IF A TRUCK CALLS, I'M SURE. YEAH. IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHO CALLS. WHAT'S PLAN ON DOING ROADSIDE REPAIR AND TIRES AND ALL THAT. YES, SIR. WHAT SORT OF EQUIPMENT DO YOU HAVE TO DO IN THE PICTURES? I HAVE TIRE MACHINE AND BALANCER INSIDE THE TRAILER, AND THAT'S WHERE ALL MY TOOLS ARE STORED. ALSO, IT'S ALL SELF-CONTAINED INSIDE THAT 16 FOOT ENCLOSED TRAILER. AND YOU'VE LISTED A 2004 F250 AND THEN A 2025. I CAN'T READ THE 
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YES, THE 2025 IS THE TRAILER TRAILER. THE 2006 F250 IS WHAT I PULLED THE TRAILER WITH, AND THE COMBINED WEIGHT OF THOSE IS 8200. YES. IS THAT LOADED OR UNLOADED AS UNLOADED? SO THE THE THRESHOLD FOR THE COUNTY, AS I REMEMBER, IS TEN ZERO ZERO 0 POUNDS, AND ANYTHING OVER 10,000 POUNDS WOULD REQUIRE AN OFF SITE LEASE. IT WILL BE. YES. WELL, HE'S MADE A DIFFERENT REQUEST, EVEN THOUGH HE SAYS HE HAS A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT. HE CAN ACTUALLY STORE IT IN THE PROPERTY, BUT IT HAS TO BE BUFFERED WHERE NOBODY CAN SEE IT. THIS IS WHERE THE 400 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE ACCESSORY BUILDING COMES IN. IT COULD BE VEGETATIVE, OR IT COULD BE THE BUILDING, A TRUCK AND THE TRAILER. I THINK HE'S GOT PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THAT. YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY 98, 1800FT FROM THE ROAD WHERE EVERYTHING WILL BE STORED. SAY THAT AGAIN. I'M SORRY. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 800 1800FT FROM THE ROAD WHERE EVERYTHING WILL BE STORED. 
          THERE'S NO SITE TO THE ROAD. OKAY. AND ABOUT THE THE END OF THE ROAD ENDS RIGHT AFTER OUR DRIVEWAY. SO IT'S. NO, WE'RE NOT RUNNING OFF THE PRIVATELY MAINTAINED ROAD THAT EXTENDS. 
          IT'S OFF THE ACTUAL ROAD, PAVED ROAD, AND THERE'S NO SCRAP TIRES THAT WILL BE STORED ON SITE. I GOT A, I GOT WRITTEN AND VERBAL COMMUNICATION WITH TRUCKS AND STUFF OF LAGRANGE TO DROP ALL MY SCRAP TIRES OFF AFTER THE WORK WAS PERFORMED, SO THERE WOULD BE NO SCRAP TIRES KEPT THERE, I WOULD LIKE. I KNOW Y'ALL SAID I CAN'T INVENTORY ANY TIRES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP APPROXIMATELY 20 TIRES OF THE COMMON SIZES FOR THE ROADSIDE REPAIR SIDE OF IT. BUT IF THAT'S NOT A BUILDING, YOU CAN PUT THOSE IN. SIR, YOU GOT A BUILDING? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. THERE'S MULTIPLE SHOPS OUT ON THE ON THE OKAY. ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY. ALRIGHT. ARE THEY INCLUDE ARE THEY OPEN. THERE'S A A SEMI ENCLOSED POLE BARN. BOTH TWO SIDES ARE ENCLOSED. AND THEN THERE'S A FULLY ENCLOSED SHOP AND THEN ANOTHER BARN FOR HORSE STUFF. BUT THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. AND ALL ALL WORK WILL BE DONE OFF SITE. NO CUSTOMERS AT ALL AT THE HOUSE. ALRIGHT, SO THAT ANSWERS ONE OF THE MAJOR QUESTIONS AND THE OTHER ABOUT THE ROAD. IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT OFF. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE DELIVERIES OF TIRES THERE OCCASIONALLY. YES SIR. I WAS, I'D SAY PROBABLY 2 OR 3 DELIVERIES A WEEK MAYBE. AND SIR, IF YOU'RE LUCKY. YEAH, IF I, IF I ROUND UP THE BUSINESS THAT IS. BUT THE PEOPLE I GET IT FROM WAS PARISH TIRE OUT OF CARROLLTON, AND THEY RUN A BOX STYLE BOX TRUCK STYLE. AND SO REALLY NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN LIKE AN AMAZON BOX TRUCK OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. NO 18 WHEELER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE COMING UP THE DRIVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF WE MOVE FORWARD THIS, DO WE NEED TO. MAKE NOTE THAT HE CAN STORE HIS TIRES THERE AS PART OF THE. YES. YOU WILL NEED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT. HE YOU ARE ALLOWING HIM TO STORE THE TIRES THERE. OKAY. AND WE CAN BYPASS THE. THE. ROAD REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD HANDLE A SEMI TRUCK TYPE STUFF. NOT FOR THE DELIVERY. IT HAS TO BE FOR HIS OWN VEHICLES. 
          SO ONE VEHICLE COULD BE A TRUCK IF YOU LOOK OH YOU DON'T HAVE IT. IF YOU LOOK ON THERE, THERE COULD BE A TRUCK COULD BE A TRACTOR. BUT THE DELIVERY IS DIFFERENT AND THE DELIVERY IS ACTUALLY DOWN TO TWO DELIVERIES A WEEK, NOT THREE DELIVERIES A WEEK. THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. I MEAN, IT'S WHATEVER YOU Y'ALL'S STIPULATIONS. AS LONG AS THEY'RE REASONABLE. I'M I'M FINE WITH THAT. I'M TRYING TO GET THEM REASONABLE, I APPRECIATE THAT. YES, SIR. 
          BECAUSE SOME OF THIS STUFF WE DO. OKAY. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DICTATE HOW MANY DELIVERIES SOMEBODY CAN HAVE AT THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY WHEN THEY HAVE 100, ROUGHLY 100 ACRES. WELL, I HAVE PROPERTY AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN IT'S LIKE A BOX. 
          YOU GOT THREE. AMAZON'S A DAY A DAY, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND NOT THOSE LITTLE BITTY TRUCKS EITHER. SO. RIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. I GOTTA ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THIS BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. SO. DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AND ADD IN A COUPLE OF STIPULATIONS OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE STORAGE. I'LL 
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MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THIS HOME OCCUPATION USE, AND WE ALLOW THE. APPLICANT TO STORE TIRES IN THE EXISTING ENCLOSED BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY. AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANY ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS SINCE IT'S JUST GOING TO BE HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE AND LIMITED TO AND ON. 
          ALSO PROVIDE US WITH A COPY OF WHERE HE'S DISPOSING HIS LEASE, WHERE HE'S DISPOSING THE TIRES, BECAUSE WE DO NEED A COPY OF THAT. I DON'T WANT TO FIND THOSE TIRES. LIBERTY HILL YEAH, I'M TIRED OF PAYING TO GET THEM HAULED OFF THAT ARE PUTTING THEM ON MY COUSIN'S LAND AND BLAMING HIM. I'M KIDDING. I THINK HE DOES THAT TO ME. ANYWAY. THAT'D BE MY MY RECOMMENDATION. ALL RIGHT. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE WITH THOSE TWO STIPULATIONS. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. GOOD LUCK. YOU'RE BUSY. OKAY. 
          ALL THOSE APPLICATIONS WILL BE GOING BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. 
          WE GOT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY. WE CAN'T BE PICKING PEOPLE TO DEATH ABOUT. ALRIGHT, WE'RE NOW MOVING INTO THE TEXT AMENDMENTS. SANDY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRING UP YOURS BEFORE WE GET INTO THESE OTHERS, OR WOULD IT BE MAKE MORE SENSE TO DO THE OTHER FIRST? NO, PROBABLY MOTIONS TO DO MINE FIRST. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I FIGURED. OKAY, SINCE I'VE GOT AN IDEA, YOU WANT TO 
          [Additional Item ]
CHANGE SOME OF THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS. SO THE FIRST ITEM, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WILL BE A REVIEW OF THE SCOPE OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THIS BOARD'S DISCRETION IN SUBDIVISION PLAT REVIEWS. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS, I'VE NOTICED THAT WE'VE HAD 2 OR 3 SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CLOSELY VOTED ON. LAST MONTH, BRALEY ROAD. ROD, YOU BROKE THE TIE, UNFORTUNATELY. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID, THOUGH, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU BROKE THE TIE? I HATED TO DO IT, BUT I HAD TO. FOR WHAT REASON? BECAUSE IT WAS SORT OF A LEGAL CATCH 22. SO APPENDIX C OF THE COUNTY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS IS WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING. AND DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT? I DON'T YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO PULL IT UP SO WE CAN SEE IT. YEAH. WE NEED TO SEE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT AGENDA ITEM. IF YOU SCROLL DOWN YOU SHOULD SEE IT. WHAT PAGE PACKET PAGE IS THAT. LET'S GO ON. I HAVE THE REFERENCES TO IT BUT I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL. OKAY, YOU WILL START AT PAGE 50. EDO CODE ON LINE. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL THAT UP AND SHOW US. IT'S ACTUALLY ON. SO WHAT OUR REGULATIONS SAY WHILE SHE'S LOOKING FOR THAT APPENDIX C, ARTICLE TWO OF THE TROUP COUNTY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS DEFINES ITS OWN OPERATIVE TERMS. AND I QUOTE THE WORD SHALL IS MANDATORY AND THE WORD MAY IS PERMISSIVE. CLOSE QUOTE. THIS DISTINCTION CONTROLS HOW EACH STAGE OF THE SUBDIVISION REVIEW AND. THERE ARE TWO STAGES SHOULD BE READ IN. THE TWO STAGES ARE NOT GOVERNED THE SAME WAY. OUR STAGE. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW TECHNICAL COMPLIANCE UNDER SECTION ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION C. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS REVIEWED BY THE TROUP COUNTY PLANNER AND THE COUNTY ENGINEER FOR. AND I QUOTE, COMPLIANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AND ROAD SPECIFICATIONS IS DEFINED IN THESE REGULATIONS. CLOSE QUOTE FOR SOME. WE STILL HAVEN'T FOUND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. PAGE 47. PACKET. PAGE 47. YEAH. AND THAT'S MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE THINK IS GOVERNS MORE THAN ONE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS. IS THIS SECTION FOUR? YES, SIR. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. SECTION ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION C NO. YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WHERE I'M LOOKING AT. HE'S PROBABLY LOOKING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. THE ONE WE HAVE IN HERE RELATES TO MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS. ALL THE OTHERS ARE EITHER FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS TALKING ABOUT NOT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. PLEASE CAN YOU PULL UP WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT? JAMES IS GOING TO TO CONTINUE. 
          WE'RE STILL ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW FOR SUBDIVISIONS AND SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. APPROVAL IS FURTHER GOVERNED BY A POINT RATING SYSTEM, WHICH WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IN ARTICLES 26 AND 27 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AN OBJECTIVE SCORED STANDARD ON OUR SCREENS TO JAMES. SURE THAT 
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I CAN, BUT YOU MIGHT NEED TO GIVE ME IS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IN YOUR PACKET, AND I'VE GOT THAT ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. I CAN ALSO PULL UP THE CODE OF ORDINANCES ONLINE. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SEE IS WHAT HE'S REFERRING. AND PLEASE MAY I CONTINUE? WELL, I'M TRYING TO GET IT UP, SANDY, SO IF YOU COULD GIVE ME THE REFERENCE THAT I CAN PULL UP ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION C, ARTICLE FOUR OF APPENDIX. APPENDIX C, ARTICLE TWO OF THE OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND SEE ARTICLE TWO. RIGHT. SECTION. AND THEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW. TECHNICAL COMPLIANCE IS UNDER ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION C, AND THE FINAL PLAT REVIEW IS UNDER ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION E ONE. THOSE ARE THE TWO STAGES. 
          THAT'S NOT MATCHING WHAT I'M FINDING IN THE UDO ONLINE. ARE YOU USING PERHAPS THE OLD ORDINANCE? IT IS ACTUALLY ARTICLE FIVE. LET ME GET THAT CORRECTED. IT BRINGS UP APPENDIX B ARTICLE. YEAH. UNDER THIS STUFF MATCHES ARTICLE 14 IS SUBDIVISIONS ON THE SEE, LOOK, I, I THINK WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME. WE CAN ALL GO BACK AND REVIEW THAT. THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS A PRETTY SIMPLE POINT. AND ONCE I STATED THEN I WOULD LIKE TO GET ERIC'S NOT HERE, BUT JAY'S HERE. SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY AND OR THE. OVER THE NEXT MEETING FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. CONFIRMATION OF WHAT I'M SAYING IF IS CORRECT OR NOT, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS HOPEFULLY KEEP US FROM GETTING INTO A SITUATION, A LEGAL SITUATION WHERE THE COUNTY GETS SUED. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE DISCRETION. IF A SUBDIVISION MEETS ALL OF THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY MAINTAINS OR SETS, WE DON'T HAVE THE DISCRETION TO VOTE IT DOWN, BUT WE'VE BEEN ACTING LIKE WE DO. WE DO HAVE THE UNDER THE GOOD HEALTH AND WHATEVER OF THE COUNTY. THAT'S NOT A STANDARD UNEMPLOYMENT CLASS. WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF IS IF THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO VOTE ON AND WE DON'T HAVE A WE CAN'T VOTE IT DOWN, THEN THEN IT SHOULDN'T EVEN COME BEFORE US. IF IT'S IF IT'S A DONE DEAL FOR THE WHOLE APPROVAL IS FOR US TO MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S DONE AT STAFF LEVEL. ALL WE'RE DOING IS. GOOD POINT. I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD POINT. AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA, SORRY, IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA, THE CITY SLASH COUNTY CAN DICTATE HOW A SUBDIVISION OF LAND AND CALL IT A MINOR SUBDIVISION OR A MAJOR SUBDIVISION. A SUBDIVISION OF LAND CAN BE DONE 100% ADMINISTRATIVELY BY STAFF, OR IT CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING, AND THAT'S THE END OF IT. OR IT COULD GO TO THE BOARD OF ZONING WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO EACH JURISDICTION HAS THE RIGHT TO DECIDE THAT, HOWEVER. I WOULD ARGUE WITH YOU BECAUSE THE LAW ALSO SAYS THAT FOR SUBDIVISIONS, THAT IF YOU COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE JURISDICTION HAS SET AS THE STANDARDS AND THAT THE ROADS AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS SAID THAT THE ROAD IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING THAT SUBDIVISION, THAT THEN THERE'S NO GROUNDS FOR DENIAL. THEREFORE, TO YOUR POINT, IF THAT'S THE CASE WHERE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DOES IT MEET THE STANDARDS OR NOT? IS THE ROAD CAPABLE OF NOT, THEN THAT'S WHY SUBDIVISION. SOME JURISDICTIONS SAY IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE. THE DEPARTMENT CAN DICTATE THAT, BUT SOME OTHERS WANT IT TO COME TO THE BOARD. SO JUST KIND OF LIKE TO MAKE IT SO THAT THE STAFF CAN SAY, THIS IS IN THE WORKS, THIS IS COMING, THAT MEETS, WE'VE REVIEWED IT AND MEETS THE STANDARDS, AND WE LET THE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A VOICE, WHICH THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A VOICE. SO AGAIN, I'M JUST CALLING IT WHAT IT IS. SO YES, MA'AM. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT'S IT'S UP TO THE ANIMOSITY AMONG THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THINKING THAT THEY HAVE, OH, THEY'RE WASTING THEIR TIME COMING UP HERE IF WE CAN'T VOTE WITH. AND NOW THE BOARD IN THIS NEW, NEW THING, THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON IT. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE TIED TO AN APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL ON IT. THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS THE ONE THAT SHOULD. SO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WOULD APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL. YOU GUYS WOULD GO FROM A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING DIRECTLY TO THE. WELL, WE'RE JUST SAYING WE HAVE NO TRUE SAY SO IN WHAT IS ON THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT. THAT'S A FAKE. IF YOU LET ME CONTINUE IT, IT LAYS OUT WHAT THE BOARD CAN DO. 
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AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT IN A DISJOINTED MANNER. 
          COULD I JUST CONTINUE? ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD IF YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO STILL IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW TECHNICAL COMPLIANCE FOR SUBDIVISION OF SINGLE FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. APPROVAL IS FURTHER GOVERNED BY THE POINT RATING SYSTEM AS DEFINED IN ARTICLE 26 AND 27 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AN OBJECTIVE SCORED STANDARD NOT AT A SUBJECT, NOT A SUBJECTIVE PREFERENCE VOTE. AT THIS STAGE, OUR ROLE IS TO CONFIRM THE APPLICATION MEETS FIXED PUBLISHED CRITERIA, NOT TO SUBSTITUTE OUR OWN JUDGMENT ABOUT THE MERITS OF A COMPLIANT PROJECT. WHERE ARE YOU READING THAT FROM? THAT'S HIS. THAT'S ME. OH, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN. I'M NOT SAYING TO PUT IN ANYTHING. ALL I'M SAYING IS WE NEED TO HAVE THE BOARD NEEDS TO HAVE A LEGAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE CAN'T DO. OKAY, SO WHAT YOU'RE READING FROM WHAT WHAT I WROTE, MY MY INTERPRETATION OF, OF THIS SECTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THE SECOND STAGE IS FINAL PLAT REVIEW, WHICH IS A MORE NARROW BOUNDED DISCRETION. ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION ONE GIVES THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS GENUINELY PERMISSIVE LANGUAGE AT FINAL PLAT STAGE. AND I QUOTE THE TROUP COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MAY APPROVE, DENY OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR TABLE. THE THE SUBMITTED FINAL PLAT FOR ROAD ACCEPTANCE. ROAD ACCEPTANCE BEING THE OPERATIVE. TWO WORDS IN THAT SENTENCE. THE MAY IN QUOTES IS REAL DISCRETION, BUT IT IS SCOPED SPECIFICALLY TO ROAD ACCEPTANCE. 
          SECTION E FOUR CONFIRMS THIS. THE BOARD QUOTE SHALL REVIEW THE PLAT FOR ACCEPTANCE OF ROAD ROADS. CLOSE QUOTE BY FINAL PLAT STAGE. THE LAYOUT DENSITY, LOT COUNT AND ZONING COMPLIANCE HAVE ALREADY BEEN VETTED AGAINST FIXED STANDARDS. AT THE PRELIMINARY STAGE, THE DISCRETION THE ORDINANCE GRANTS IT FINAL PLAT IS NOT A SECOND GENERAL REFERENDUM ON WHETHER A MEMBER LIKES THE PROJECT. IT IS A BOUNDED ENGINEERING JUDGMENT ABOUT WHETHER THE ROADS MEET COUNTY STANDARDS FOR DEDICATION. THE PRACTICAL IMPLICATION FOR THIS BOARD IS THEY VOTE AGAINST THE SUBDIVISION THAT HAS MET ALL APPLICABLE ZONING, ENGINEERING AND PLANNING REQUIREMENTS FOR REASONS UNRELATED TO ROAD ACCEPTANCE STANDARDS, IS NOT CLEARLY SUPPORTED BY THE DISCRETION OUR OWN REGULATIONS ACTUALLY GRANTED THE STAGE AT THAT STAGE OF REVIEW. OKAY. ONCE AGAIN, CAN YOU GET OUR UDO UP? JAMES? I'VE GOT OUR UDO UP, BUT THE SECTIONS THAT HE'S GIVING ME DON'T. I MUST HAVE HAD. I MUST HAVE SOMETHING OLD THAT I FOUND ON THE INTERNET. BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY, CAN SOMEONE HERE NOW OR LATER WITH THE ATTORNEYS, IF NECESSARY, CONFIRM TO US WHAT OUR RIGHTS, SCOPE AND AUTHORITY ARE IN VOTING UP OR DOWN SUBDIVISION PLATS THAT COME BEFORE US BEFORE WE GET OUR BUTTS IN TROUBLE. I AGREE, WE NEED TO KNOW AND WE NEED TO CHANGE IT IF WE NEED TO. IF WE DON'T LIKE IT. I MEAN, IF WE DON'T NEED TO BE VOTING ON IT. I MEAN, IF THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO VOTE ON, WE DON'T WE DON'T NEED TO WASTE OUR TIME OR THE COMMUNITY'S PEOPLE COMING UP HERE PROTESTING. I THINK THE I MEAN, LIKE THAT SUBDIVISION LAST LAST MONTH, IF IT WAS IF IT'S IF IT'S A DONE DEAL, THERE'S NO NEED OF EVERYBODY WASTING THEIR TIME COMING UP HERE SAYING, I THINK WE NEED I THINK WE NEED TO STAY THAT. BUT WHAT JAY IS TRYING TO SAY IS THIS IS THE FINAL STAGE IN THEIR MINDS, THE FINAL STAGE OF THE OF THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW THAT THE STAFF HAS DONE. WE'RE JUST PUTTING OUR MARK OF APPROVAL ON IT BECAUSE IT IT HAS MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          IF IT DOESN'T MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD IS GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCRETION ABOUT HOW IT WOULD VOTE OR NOT UP OR DOWN. BUT IF IT'S MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WHY WOULD THEY EVEN PRESENT SOMETHING TO US THAT DIDN'T MEET THE STANDARDS? WE NEVER HAVE? WE NEVER HAVE. NO, I HAVE LET ME REITERATE. LET ME REITERATE ISSUES WITH THE POINT RATING SYSTEM MYSELF. LET ME REITERATE OBJECTIVE. WE HAVE TO DO THIS EVEN WITH CITIZENS. OUR JOB, BE IT JAMES'S, RUTH'S, MY. I MEAN, OUR JOB IS WE WE ENFORCE, SLASH MANAGE THE PROCESS, SLASH MANAGE THE DEPARTMENT BASED ON WHAT OUR CODE SAYS RIGHT NOW. LIKE WE DON'T MAKE THE CODE LIKE WE WE'VE NEVER VOTED FOR A ZONING ORDINANCE, A TEXT AMENDMENT. IT'S EITHER BY THIS BOARD AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE COMMISSIONERS. SO, SO SO AGAIN, SO TO AGAIN TO YOUR. OKAY, BECAUSE YOU DO MAKE THE CODE BECAUSE YOU MAKE SUGGESTED CHANGES AND YOU, SOMEBODY ON YOUR STAFF TYPED UP ALL THESE RED LINES. NO, WE MAKE THIS A WELL IN, IN ANY SUGGESTION YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY WAS 
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NOT WAS NOT US CREATING IT EITHER. IT WAS ONES THAT WAS EITHER DICTATED BY, BY THESE MEMBERS OR THE COMMISSIONERS OR, OR WE'VE BEEN TOLD LIKE, SAY, FOR AIRBNBS OR FOR DATA CENTERS, HEY, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. SO THEN YES, WE'RE THE ONES WHO DO THE RESEARCH. YES, WE'RE THE ONES WHO WRITE IT. BUT THEN ULTIMATELY WE BRING IT TO YOU AND THE COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL. SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THE RULES AND PROCEDURES THAT OUR CODE SAYS OF WHICH IS APPROVED BY EITHER THIS BOARD OR THE COMMISSIONERS. NOW BACK TO PRELIMINARY PLATS, WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION. WE'RE ONLY FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURE THAT HAS BEEN IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, BE IT THE PREVIOUS ZONING ORDINANCE OR BE IT THE CURRENT UDO. PRELIMINARY PLATS HAVE ALWAYS COME TO THE BOARD OF ZONING FOR, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, A RUBBER STAMP THAT SAYS, YES, THIS HAS MET OUR OUR REQUIREMENTS. YES, THE. YES, THE ROAD IS CAPABLE. AND IF THAT WANTS TO BE CHANGED, IT CAN BE CHANGED. I MEAN, YOU COULD GIVE US DIRECTION THEN THAT SAYS WE THINK IT SHOULD BE 100% ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WOULD HAVE TO WRITE THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT. BUT THEN BUT THEN ULTIMATELY, EVEN IF YOU SAID WE THINK IT SHOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CITY OF LAGRANGE IS ADMINISTRATIVE, LIKE, LIKE IF, IF FOR ANY SUBDIVISION, IT DOESN'T GO TO ANY BOARD BECAUSE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DOES IT MEET THE STANDARDS OR NOT? AND SO IF, IF YOU GAVE US DIRECTION, THE STANDARDS, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEREFORE, IF IF YOU. 
          BECAUSE OF. IS THAT UNDER WHAT I'M LOOKING AT? APPENDIX C, ARTICLE ONE CODE STANDARDS AND PROCEDURES OF THE UDO. CAN I PULL IT UP ON MY IPAD HERE? AND IT STARTS WITH ADOPTION OF CERTAIN CODES, RELATIONSHIPS. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING? SORRY. SO MY POINT BEING THOUGH, IF IF YOU FEEL LIKE, HEY, AS A BOARD THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE A RUBBER STAMP, WE THINK IT SHOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE, THEN THEN IF YOU GIVE US IF YOU GIVE US THAT DIRECTION, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE IT THAT WAY AND THEN TAKE IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AS, HEY, THE BOARD OF ZONING HAS GIVEN US DIRECTION. MATTER OF FACT, THEY VOTED ON IT IN THE BOARD OF ZONING MEETING. NOW IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN SAY YES OR NO. WOULDN'T WE NEED TO RECAST OUR THE NAME OF THIS BOARD AND REMOVE PLANNING FROM IT? I DON'T THINK SO. BECAUSE YOU ULTIMATELY APPROVE OTHER TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PLANNING. WELL, A LOT OF TIMES AND COMP PLANS AND GOING TO BE REQUESTS FOR VARIANCE, LIKE FOR REZONINGS AND REZONINGS IS ZONING OR I CAN MEET. I THINK WE'RE DOING SO. SO TO SANDY'S POINT THOUGH, IT TO SANDY'S POINT, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN OUR ORDINANCE AND MY UNDERSTANDING THE LAW THAT SUBDIVISIONS ARE JUST A MATTER OF DO THEY MEET YOUR STANDARD OR NOT? RIGHT. SO, SANDY, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD IN MAY AT SOME POINT. WHERE WAS THE DIFFERENCE THAT'S IN THAT'S WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE BEAUTY SALON WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT, TWO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO IN THE ATTORNEY CAME IN AND SAT RIGHT WHERE AUSTIN SITTING AND SAID, THE PERMISSIVE. THE WORDS ARE SHALL AND MAY. AND THAT'S HOW THAT DECISION, IF YOU REMEMBER, WAS MADE. AND IT HAD TO DO WITH THE TWO ACRE SIZE. AS I RECALL, YOU WEREN'T HERE, AUSTIN, BUT YOU WERE HERE. JAY. BUT YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IN ONE SECTION, IT SAYS WE SHALL APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OR WE MAY APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR US. IT SHALL WITH WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. IT'S MAY, BUT ONLY WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE OF THE ROAD. COMMISSIONERS CAN'T EVEN TURN ONE DOWN. I DON'T AND I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD OVER 20 YEARS. I DON'T EVER REMEMBER. 
          CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JAY, YOU'VE BEEN HERE NOT NOT QUITE THAT MANY YEARS. JAMES HAS BEEN HERE THE LONGEST OF ALL OF US. I DON'T REMEMBER US EVER VOTING DOWN A SUBDIVISION THAT MET ALL REQUIREMENTS. I DON'T EVER I DON'T REMEMBER ONCE, MAYBE, MAYBE IT HAPPENED. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER IT. YEAH, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS AMENDED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. 
          THE COMMISSIONERS WERE UPSET BECAUSE OF FINAL PLAT CAME BEFORE THEM AND THEY HAD NOT SEEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT BECAUSE OUR FORMER ORDINANCE BACK, I'M GOING BACK 20 YEARS, DID NOT REQUIRE A PRELIMINARY PLAT TO EVER GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. AND THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I DON'T NEED TO NAME, WAS A WAS A MAJOR SUBDIVISION, AND IT HAD GONE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND PRELIMINARY PLAT BEEN APPROVED. AND THEN THEY SUBMITTED CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE ROADS AND THEY BUILT THE ROADS. AND THEN THE FINAL PLAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, AND THEY SAID, WHAT IS THIS? WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS COMING, AND OUR ORDINANCE DID NOT REQUIRE IT TO COME TO THEM. AND SO WE HAD NOT 
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DONE ANYTHING WRONG IN THE PROCESS. AND THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE PROCESS. 
          AND THEY DID CHANGE THE ORDINANCE SO THAT NOW EVERY PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A MAJOR SUBDIVISION GOES TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FIRST FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT ONLY. IT'S NOT FOR APPROVE OR DENY. THEN IT COMES BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL. NOT THAT YOU COULD REALLY DENY IT. IF IT MEETS ALL STANDARDS, IT COULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL ACCORDING TO STATE LAW. BUT OUR ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IT COMES BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL. AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, THE WE CAN CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO SAY COMMISSIONERS CAN CHANGE THE. YEAH. THE COMMISSIONERS SAYS, SHALL APPROVE. COULD WE ASK. AND WE CAN DO THIS IN A FORMAL MOTION IF WE NEED TO, THAT I'M ASSUMING WE STILL HAVE ATTORNEYS. YES. CORRECT. WE STILL THE EXISTING GROUP? YES. WE ASKED THE ATTORNEYS TO EITHER WRITE A MEMORANDUM TO US OR COME NEXT MEETING AND JUST STATE WHAT THE CASE IS FOR US SO WE CAN ALL GAIN SOME KNOWLEDGE FROM THAT. SURE IS THE ONE. THAT LAST MEETING I WAS PUT IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THAT RILEY ROAD, AND YOU MADE THE RIGHT DECISION. WELL, I'M LEGALLY YOUR OPINION. LEGALLY I DID LEGALLY I MADE THE RIGHT RIGHT DECISION. MORALLY, I THINK IT WAS WRONG BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ALREADY HAVING WATER ISSUES DOWN THERE. 
          AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE WELLS DRY UP. EXACTLY. AND WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING THAT. BUT I THINK THAT HAS TO BE A CONSIDERATION THAT'S NOT ON OUR I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I SAID I HAD TO DO IT. I CAUGHT HELL ABOUT IT ON FACEBOOK, WHICH I DON'T CARE ABOUT BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR OWN OPINION. BUT I DID WHAT I HAD TO DO AS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. I DIDN'T LIKE DOING IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WAS A WELL THOUGHT OUT PROPER. I DID THE PROPER LEGAL THING. BUT LEGAL DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN CORRECT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, LEGAL IS A DIFFERENT THING THAN THE CORRECT THING. AND NOT THAT YOU CARE ABOUT THIS, BUT MY FATHER LIVES DOWN IN BY TAMPA, AND I GO DOWN EVERY 2 OR 3 MONTHS TO SEE HIM. HE'S 85 YESTERDAY, ACTUALLY. AND SO I WENT DOWN TWO WEEKS AGO. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ENJOY IS WE SIT THERE AND NEXT TO HIS LA-Z-BOY, HE'S GOT A STACK OF NEWSPAPERS ABOUT ABOUT THIS TOWN NEWSPAPERS. SO WHEN I GET DOWN THERE, I PICK THEM OUT. AND WE OBVIOUSLY NOT MARRIED ANYMORE. HE'S NOT. NO. 
          OKAY. THAT THAT STACK MADE ME REALIZE HE WAS SINGLE. AND SO I GET DOWN THERE TWO FRIDAYS AGO, WHICH IS JULY 31ST. AND HERE'S THE FRIDAY, JULY 31ST PAPER SITTING THERE. SO I PICK IT UP AND YOU JUST CAN CHANGE THE NAME. THAT ONE SAYS THE CHARLOTTE SUN NEWSPAPER, CHARLOTTE COUNTY. AND YOU COULD TAKE THAT OFF AND PUT LAGRANGE DAILY NEWS AT THE TOP. AND THE ARTICLES ARE IDENTICAL. I MEAN, THEY HAVE A DATA CENTER ARTICLE. THEY HAVE THE SAME I MEAN, YOU NAME IT, IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. I MEAN, IT'S THE EXACT SAME ARTICLES IN EVERY CITY AND COUNTY. AND I SEE THAT WHEN I GET NEWSPAPER IN THAT SIZE, CITY WOULD HAVE MORE THAN FOUR PAGES. IT'S ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS OUR NEWSPAPER. SERIOUSLY? YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO ANYWAYS, POINT BEING, ON THE VERY FRONT COVER, IT SAYS COMMISSIONERS APPROVED THE EVERGLADE EAGLE SUBDIVISION OUT ON SUCH AND SUCH ROAD AND ON A 3 TO 2 VOTE. AND THIS IS THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          AND SO I SAID, OKAY. AND I LOOK AT IT AND IT SAYS HOW IT WAS A 2 TO 2 VOTE. SO THE COMMISSIONER HAD TO BREAK THE TIE. AND HOW COMMISSIONER JOE TESSIO, WHO WAS A COUPLE YEARS OLDER THAN ME IN SCHOOL, NOW HE'S THEIR CHAIRMAN, VOTED TO APPROVE IT. AND THEN RIGHT UNDER IT, IT SAYS, QUOTE, FROM COMMISSIONER OR FROM CHAIRMAN JOE TESSIO. AND HE SAID, I HAD TO APPROVE IT. HE SAID, BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS JUST DECIDING, DOES IT MEET OUR STANDARDS THAT ARE IN OUR ORDINANCE? AND THAT, YES, IT DOES. IT MEETS EVERYTHING IN OUR STANDARDS AND OUR ORDINANCE. THEREFORE, BY LAW, TROUP COUNTY IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT. AND THEREFORE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A SPLIT VOTE BEFORE ME, I HAD TO DO MY DUTY AS CHAIRMAN TO APPROVE IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS. WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR STANDARDS OR INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS IN OUR STANDARDS THAT INCLUDE, WELL, WATER, SEWAGE CRITERIA, ETC. FOR THESE SUBDIVISIONS, BECAUSE THERE'S DEFINITELY A PROBLEM IN AREAS SUCH AS WHERE THAT THE SOIL STUDY, THE SOIL STUDY THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE DONE DOES THAT. NO, IT DOESN'T BECAUSE BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT KIMBLE ROAD SUBDIVISION THAT WAS DONE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THERE WAS A SOIL SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BY A GEOTECHNICAL FIRM THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO MR. KIMBROUGH THAT OWNED IT. IT SAID THAT PROPERTY WAS NOT SUITABLE FOR SUBDIVISION. THE BE SMART PEOPLE THAT PRESENTED THAT HAD A DIFFERENT SURVEY COME. AND THEY SAID BASICALLY 
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THAT THE SURVEY WAS SUITABLE FOR. SO YOU GET THESE VARYING OPINIONS, STANDARDS, THE STANDARDS TO THE ENGINEERING THAT'S DONE FOR THE SOIL CONDITIONS. AND I CAN'T I WE CAN'T REGULATE THOSE STANDARDS OR SOMEBODY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE DISHONEST WITH HOW THEY PRESENT THEM. BUT TO SANDY'S POINT, HE JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP. THAT AND YES, WE CAN HAVE OUR COUNTY'S ATTORNEYS COME IN AND GIVE TO THIS BOARD EITHER A LETTER OR A PRESENTATION ON ON HOW DOES THAT WORK? YES. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, IF THEY IF THEY SAY WHAT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SAY AND SAY THAT, YES, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF STANDARDS, THEN THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY ARE WE WASTING OUR TIME HERE DOING THIS. AND THEN AGAIN, IF THIS BOARD DOESN'T WANT TO BE A RUBBER STAMP, THEN YOU COULD YOU COULD ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO CHANGE THE THE ORDINANCE WHERE IT ELIMINATES YOU FROM THE PROCESS OR, OR JUST 100% MAKES IT ADMINISTRATIVE, WHICH AGAIN, NO, WE WOULDN'T DO THAT. WE WOULD CHANGE IT TO A MAY APPROVE. I DON'T I THINK THAT'S CONTRARY TO STATE LAW. NO, IT SAYS IT CAN BE SHALL OR MAY. HE JUST SAID THAT. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. 
          THAT IN WHAT YOU SAID. NO, IN THE DEFINITIONS OF EVERY PREAMBLE OF EVERY ORDINANCE OR REGULATION ACROSS THE STATE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DEFINITIONS THAT THAT USE THOSE PERMISSIVE WORDS SHALL OR MAY. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE DEFINED THAT WAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING IS THAT WE CHANGE THAT WORD IN OUR PREAMBLE ON PRELIMINARY PLATS, THAT WE MAY APPROVE A SUBDIVISION, OR WE MAY MAKE MAJOR RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE WE APPROVE IT. DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AS PRESENTED? AGAIN, I THINK WHAT SANDY IS SAYING IS LET'S LET THE ATTORNEYS TELL US HOW THAT LANGUAGE. OKAY. GOOD, HEALTHY. AND TO YOUR POINT AND TO YOUR POINT, AS FAR BACK, I THINK JAMES ANSWERED THE PART ABOUT THEY THE COMMISSIONERS CHANGED THE PROCESS 20 YEARS AGO SO THAT THEY WANT TO REVERSE THE PROCESS AND GET OUT OF IT. BUT BUT NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. IS THAT RIGHT, AUSTIN, TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S COMING UP BEFORE YOU HERE IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES, THEY'RE SIMPLY CHANGING THE PROCEDURAL WHERE THEY WANT TO CONFIRM FROM YOU GUYS THE RECOMMENDATION. THEN IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THEM FOR APPROVAL. THIS IS FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PRELIMINARY PLAT. BUT THEY WOULD NEVER REVIEW A FINAL PLAT. NO. I WILL SAY THAT THE FINAL PLAT IS SIMPLY JUST THERE WERE CHANGES MADE BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY FINAL PLAT IS NOT IS NOT ACCEPTED UNTIL THE ROAD IS BUILT. SO WHY WOULD A DEVELOPER GO OUT AND BUILD, SPEND HUNDREDS. THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO MAKE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE THAT THAT BASICALLY IT'S APPROVED AT THE PRELIMINARY AND THAT THAT THEN ONCE THEY GO OUT AND THEY BUY IT THE OTHER DAY WAS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THEN THEY GET IN THERE AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO DON'T WANT TO DO THIS WAY. WHAT TRIGGERS IT? COMING BACK TO US FOR A RE-APPROVAL, IF IT'S WITH THE ROAD, IT WOULD GO. IT WOULD. NO, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ANY CHANGES. SO THE THE ADDING OR THE TAKING AWAY OF LOTS. THE CHANGING OF A ROAD IS CONSIDERED A MAJOR CHANGE WITHIN WHICH WOULD COME BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS START THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN. WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY LAID OUT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BEFORE I VOTE ON THIS, THAT WHAT DEFINES A CHANGE IN HOW IT COMES BACK TO US? IF A IF A PRELIMINARY PLAT IS CHANGED, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS WHAT IS A WHAT RIGHT NOW IS APPROVED BY YOU GUYS, RIGHT? IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CHANGES THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE, THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT IS NO LONGER APPROVED BY BY THIS BOARD, WHICH WOULD THEN HERE'S MY QUESTION. WHAT TRIGGERS THAT ONE LOT CHANGE? OR DO THEY HAVE TO WANT TO CHANGE TWO LOTS IN A ROW? THE CHANGING OF A LOT, THE CHANGING OF THE ROAD, THE. ANYTHING THAT CHANGES. CHANGES TO APPLY TO A PLAT. IT MAKES IT NOT APPROVED BY YOU GUYS BECAUSE IT WAS A CHANGE OF A PLOT, AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK BY A 10TH OF AN INCH ON ONE DIMENSION. THAT'S A CHANGE. MUST BE A CHANGE OF ACREAGE BECAUSE HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD AND YOU'RE SAYING, YES, HE A CHANGE OF AN ACREAGE BE CHANGE OF A ROAD. AND I MEAN, IF IT'S IF IT'S A MAJOR CHANGE TO THE PLAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING THAT'S WHERE NOW YOU'RE SAYING MAJOR CHANGE. WHAT IS A MAJOR CHANGE THIS WHOLE. IF IT IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO A PLAT, WHAT IS A MAJOR CHANGE? I WANT THAT CHANGE OF A LOT. THE CHANGE OF A ROAD, THE CHANGE OF THE NUMBER OF THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED, THAT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED IN THIS ORDINANCE AND NOT LEFT UP TO YOU OR WHOEVER ELSE IS HERE. THE RUBBER STAMP AGAIN, YOU SEE THIS IS THIS. IT CAN'T BE WRITTEN JUST FOR US HERE. IT'S GOTTA BE WRITTEN FOR THE NEXT. SO WE GOT, I GOT ABOUT 30 MORE MINUTES, 35 MORE MINUTES. I'D LIKE TO MAYBE MOVE ALONG IF WE COULD. ALRIGHT. WE 
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GOT SOME OTHER. SO WHAT WAS YOUR NEXT ITEM? WE COVERED THAT ONE ENOUGH. I'M HAPPY WITH IT. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TEN MINUTES AGO. OKAY. Y'ALL KEPT ON AND I GOT OTHER THINGS. YOU BRING UP SOMETHING, THEN I GOTTA ASK QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T ARGUE WITH THAT. NO GOOD. I'M NOT BLAME ME FOR THE TIME CONSUMING. NO. HE'S THE ONE TO TALK ABOUT TIME. I GOT NOTHING TO DO BUT GO HOME, I DON'T KNOW. I'M GOING TO PASS DOWN A. THIS IS A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON AND PASS ONE OVER THERE TO THEM. EXCUSE ME. AUSTIN, THIS IS A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF OUR CURRENT HOME OCCUPATION ORDINANCE. DID Y'ALL GET ONE DOWN THERE? AUSTIN. NO. AUSTIN. 
          DID HE GET ONE? WE GOT I DO NOT KNOW PASSED THERE A COUPLE THERE. YEAH. YEAH WE GOT I GOT SOME MORE HERE IF ANYBODY ELSE NEEDS ONE. SO THIS IS A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE CURRENT HOME OCCUPATION ORDINANCE AS COMPARED TO A PROPOSED HOME OCCUPATION ORDINANCE THAT I'LL PASS AROUND IN A MOMENT. OKAY. SO YOU'RE PROPOSING AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE INTO A MOTION THAT I. IF IT PASSES, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REVIEW IT FOR THEIR CHANGES OR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. THE CURRENT HOME OCCUPATION ORDINANCE. HERE'S, HERE'S THE PROBLEM. AND I'M SPEAKING OF PARTICULARLY WHERE IT'S IN SUBDIVIDED NEIGHBORHOODS, TWO ACRES OR GREATER. 50 YEARS AGO, WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS CREATED OR BACK IN THE 60S, EARLY 70S, IT WAS FAIRLY ROUTINE FOR THERE TO BE IN THE COUNTY, IN SOMEONE'S HOME, A BEAUTY SALON OR A BARBER SHOP. THAT WAS FAIRLY ROUTINE. BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST 40 OR 50 YEARS, AND THE COUNTY HAS GROWN, AND WE HAVE NUMEROUS SUBDIVISIONS WHERE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE BEEN INVESTED IN HOMES THAT THESE PEOPLE ASSUME WILL BE PROTECTED BY THE COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS, WHICH SAY NO BUSINESSES ALLOWED. OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST LENIENT IN THE STATE, AND IT IS ALMOST INVITING A BUSINESS. SO THE FIRST THING THAT DRIVES. IT IS A NUMBER OF CHAIRS. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALLOWS UP TO TWO CHAIRS. DOES NOT DEFINE IF THE OPERATOR OF THOSE CHAIRS HAS TO BE A RESIDENT OR NOT. MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE A SINGLE CHAIR IN THE CHAIR IS HAS TO BE OPERATED BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. THIS AVOIDS EMPLOYEES AND GETS INTO THE PARKING ISSUES THAT WE'LL COVER IN A MOMENT. CLIENT VOLUME IS NOT ADDRESSED IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. MOST OF THE ONES THAT ARE READ AROUND THE STATE ARE RESTRICTED TO SIX APPOINTMENTS A DAY. NO WALK WALK INS CREATE PARKING ISSUES. FLOOR AREA RIGHT NOW IS 25% OF THE HEATED FLOOR AREA OF THE HOME, WHICH IS, IN MY OPINION, EXCESSIVE. I WOULD SUGGEST 15% OR 200FT■!S FOR A ONE CHAIR OPERATION. SIGNAGE. CURRENTLY, OUR ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW A SIGN. OKAY, MY PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD SAY NO EXTERIOR SIGNS AT ALL, INCLUDING A SIGN THAT THE OWNER MAY PUT ON THEIR CAR AND PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY TO CIRCUMVENT THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING. PARKING. OUR ORDINANCE STATES, BECAUSE IT HAS TWO CHAIRS, ONE SPACE PER CHAIR, PLUS A HANDICAPPED SPACE, WHICH WOULD THEN REQUIRE A VERTICAL SIGN TO IDENTIFY IT, AS WELL AS HORIZONTAL MARKINGS ON THE PAVEMENT TO IDENTIFY IT. THAT'S ADDING THREE SPACES TO YOU. ASSUME A FAMILY OF 4 OR 5 THAT ARE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE 3 OR 4 CARS, AND WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT US A PARKING LOT. 
          WE'VE GOT AN EXTERIOR DOOR, WHICH MY PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD, WOULD NOT ALLOW, WOULDN'T ALLOW EXTERIOR LIGHTING TO IDENTIFY IT OR SIGNAGE. IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT IN A SUBDIVIDED NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WE RESTRICT IT TO WHAT I THINK THE INTENTION WAS ORIGINALLY, AND THAT WOULD BE AN OWNER OCCUPANT OF THE OF THE OF THE HOUSE OF THE HOME WOULD BE THE REQUIRED BEAUTICIAN OR BARBER. AS IT IS. IT MAY BE THAT'S THE SIDE BY SIDE. THE ORDINANCE THAT I WOULD PROPOSE THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE. THEY COULDN'T JUST USE THE THE SEWER SYSTEM OR THEIR SUB OR THEIR SEPTIC TANK. I THINK THERE NEEDS, BECAUSE EVERY WE DON'T HAVE ANY SEWER IN THE COUNTY. EVERYTHING IS ON SEPTIC TANKS. AND THE CHEMICALS THAT BEAUTICIANS USE ARE STRONG. THERE NEEDS TO BE. 
          [01:00:01]
SOMEBODY THAT LOOKS OVER, HAS OVERSIGHT. IS THIS SEPTIC TANK LEAK SYSTEM NEXT TO A NEXT TO A CREEK THAT MIGHT RUN INTO PUBLIC WATER? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE. I'M NOT TO. 
          THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE FOR LIABILITY INSURANCE. AND I VERY MUCH HOPE THAT ANYBODY RUNNING A BUSINESS, EVEN IF IT'S FROM HOME, WOULD HAVE ENOUGH SENSE TO HAVE LIABILITY INSURANCE. THIS WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE ORDINANCE. THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, ANY OF THOSE EXTRA YOU COULD PASS TO JAE IN AUSTIN. YES. YOU GOT IT. NO, NO, NO, I MEAN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. THIS ORDINANCE, VERY SIMILAR TO THE ARCHAIC ORDINANCE THAT WE HAD GOVERNING AIRBNB OR SHORT TERM VACATION RENTALS, NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT INTO TODAY'S WORLD. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE REALISTIC TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND NOW. AND I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S PROPERTY VALUES AND THEIR RIGHTS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO OPERATE A BEAUTY SALON FROM HOME, THEN WE NEED TO PROVIDE THE RESTRICTIONS SO THAT IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE A BUSINESS. OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE IS ALMOST PROMOTING IT TO BE A BUSINESS. DISCUSSION. I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE IT AS A PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOCKING DOWN THE DOOR TO COME IN HERE FOR APPLICATIONS FOR HOME OCCUPANCY, BEAUTICIANS OR BARBERS. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE HAD WE HAD ONE IN THE PAST THREE YEARS. WE HAD ONE TWO YEARS AGO THAT I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I MEAN, I JUST NOTICED THERE'S A PROBLEM AND I DON'T THINK I MEAN MOST IT'S NOT A PROBLEM UNTIL IT BECOMES A PROBLEM. AND THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE THE COUNTY IS TRANSFERRING THE ISSUE TO A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS WHERE IT BELONGS, WHERE IT BELONGS. AND THEN WE SHOULD INVITE THEN WE SHOULD INVITE LITIGATION. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE SHOULD WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A LITIGATOR. THEY CAN SUE EACH OTHER FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE. WE DON'T NEED THAT FRICTION. OKAY. SO SO IF IF A SINGLE BEAUTICIAN, IT WOULD BE STANDARD. I WOULD THINK I'M NOT A I'M NOT A BARBER BEAUTICIAN, BUT IF I WAS, I WOULD HAVE TWO CHAIRS BECAUSE PROBABLY ONE, I'M DYING SOMEBODY'S HAIR. I'M GOING TO BE WORKING ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S HAIR. IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT I'M GOING TO BE HAVE ANOTHER EMPLOYEE THAT'S CUTTING SOMEBODY ELSE'S HAIR. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST OF THESE LADIES THAT GO TO THE BARBERSHOP BEAUTICIAN SHOP WILL TELL YOU THAT MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE SITTING AROUND WAITING. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM. HAVING SOMEBODY WAITING CAN BE STRICTLY BY APPOINTMENT, LIMITED TO SIX A DAY OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER WOULD BE. 
          CAN A SINGLE CHAIR BE FINANCIALLY VIABLE? AND I IT'S NOT IT'S NOT FOR US TO DECIDE WHETHER IT WAS FINANCIAL. AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO FIVE PEOPLE OR 500 PEOPLE, IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. I MEAN, IF THEY CAN DO 500 HEADS IN A IN A COMMUNITY THAT RESTRICTS AGAINST A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES AND BUSINESSES, AND YOU'RE SITTING ON THE PLANNING BOARD AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE INTEREST IN IT THAN THAT I DO. I DO HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PLACE TO DICTATE WHAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO TO MAKE A LIVING, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHO ELSE IS GOING TO DICTATE WHAT IF YOU DO THIS FOR THIS BUSINESS? IF WE WERE TO DO THIS. YEAH. WHO'S NEXT? WHAT BUSINESS IS NEXT? WHAT PERMITTED USE? I CAN'T FIND THE PERMITTED USES IN HERE BECAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT PERMIT, WHAT SECTION THE ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY IS ACTUALLY WITH BEAUTY IS IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT TODAY. THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT IT TO MY MIND. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M LOOKING TO I'M LOOKING AT OTHER BUSINESSES. WHAT WE DO WITH THIS WOULD REFLECT ON OTHER BUSINESSES. HOW SO? WELL, WE DO IT. WE DON'T NEED WE DON'T REALLY NEED BUSINESSES OPERATING FROM RESIDENTIAL PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S JUST WE JUST APPROVED ONE WHILE AGO. YEAH. YOU KNOW, 98 ACRES ON 98 ACRES. I'M TALKING ABOUT EVERYBODY CAN'T AFFORD 98 ABOUT A SUBDIVISION. IF IT'S AN ACCOUNTANT OR A COMPUTER PROGRAMMER OR SOMEONE THAT'S A SOLE PRACTITIONER MANUFACTURER'S REP HAS AN IN HOME OFFICE, I GET THAT. YEAH. BUT TO CREATE A BUSINESS AND A SUBDIVIDED, PROTECTED NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU'RE INVITING MULTIPLE TRAFFICS EVERY DAY TO COME IN IS WITH SIGNAGE AND SEPARATE ENTRANCES AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF IS JUST NOT RIGHT. IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. ON THAT ONE. OKAY. I WOULD THEN LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS PROPOSED 
          [01:05:13]
ORDINANCE BE PASSED ON TO THE TROUP COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR REVIEW CHANGES, DENIAL, ADOPTION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. SECOND, SO HE'S MADE A MOTION THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THIS BE ADDED TO THE. OUR ORDINANCE IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THAT THIS WOULD REPLACE THE CURRENT ORDINANCE? YES. OKAY. AND I'M SURE THE ATTORNEYS ARE GOING TO WANT TO HACK OVER IT. AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED JUST TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY. I MEAN, I GOT YOUR POINT. I MEAN, I HAVE YOUR POINT. I WOULDN'T WANT THAT IN MY SELF. WE GOT ENOUGH HOME OCCUPATION THAT, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS PEOPLE. BUT I, I WOULDN'T LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF CARS COMING IN MY SUBDIVISION. BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'M A LITTLE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. 
          IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS, THEN DO WE JUST GO THROUGH AND BAN ALL HOME OCCUPATIONS? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SAID THAT. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THIS WILL LEAD TO. HE'S TALKING ABOUT THOSE THAT WOULD CAUSE EXTRA TRAFFIC. OH THIS IS THIS IS WHAT BRINGS IN EXTRA TRAFFIC. NOT ESPECIALLY. WHAT WHAT IF YOU GOT A BUSINESS? WHAT ELSE. WHO'S WE? WE HAVE WE HAVE SAT IN THESE CHAIRS WITH HOME OCCUPATIONS AT THE AT THAT PODIUM RIGHT THERE. AND ONE QUESTION HAS BEEN WHAT AND HOW MANY TRAFFICS A DAY WILL YOU THINK? AND WE HAVE IN CASES WE HAVE PRESCRIBED OR RESTRICTED AGAINST TRAFFIC, LIKE THE DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT ARE THAT ARE THAT ARE COMING IN TWO TIMES A WEEK, NOT MORE THAN 3 OR 4. SO THIS IS NOT DOING AWAY WITH THE BEAUTY SALON IN A RESTRICTED AREA. THIS IS JUST PROVIDING FURTHER STRENGTH TO THE ORDINANCE TO CONTROL IT. I MEAN, I, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING WHY ANYBODY WOULD JUST LIKE CONTROL. I MEAN, WE'RE, I MEAN, IT'S A WHOLE THAT'S, THAT'S WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY FROM THE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK UP, COME ON UP. AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT PART YET. BUT BEFORE WE VOTED ON IT, WE NEEDED TO GET INPUT. MY NAME IS KATHY KNIGHT AND I LIVE ON. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE THING I'M HAVING? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH. MY NAME IS KATHY KNIGHT AND I LIVE IN ON A SHOAL CREEK DRIVE IN LAGRANGE. I CAME TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CIVIL ROAD HOME OCCUPATION LICENSE, AND I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD DECISION ON THAT. MY CONCERN WAS THE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD. AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE HE EXPLAINED WHAT HE WAS DOING, I WAS GOOD. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, I THINK THAT AN UPDATED ORDINANCE WOULD BE GOOD. I AGREE THAT YOU CAN'T DO AWAY WITH ALL IN HOME OCCUPATIONS. THE ONLY THING IN WHAT YOU READ IN YOUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE WAS THE SIGNAGE. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING ON THEIR CAR. SO I DON'T THINK THAT YOU COULD MAKE THE OWNERS OF THE BUSINESSES NOT HAVE A SIGN ON THEIR CAR. I THINK A SIGN AT THE HOUSE IS BAD THOUGH. 
          BUT I KNOW RIGHT NOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A BUSINESS OR NOT, BUT THERE'S LIKE TEN VEHICLES PARKED IN ONE YARD OUT FRONT WITH ALL KINDS OF SIGNAGE ALL OVER THEM FOR A BUSINESS. SO THAT'S BAD. BUT IF A PERSON JUST HAS A SIGN ON ONE CAR BECAUSE THEY'RE ADVERTISING THEIR BUSINESS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S BAD. WELL, I, I DIDN'T CREATE THAT LANGUAGE. I JUST GOT IT FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE STATE BECAUSE OTHER JURISDICTIONS SAW IT AS A WAY TO CIRCUMVENT THE NO SIGN ON THE BUILDING. I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE HARD TO ENFORCE. I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT CAN YOU ENFORCE. YOU MIGHT WANT TO GIVE THESE GENTLEMEN YOUR ADDRESS. IF THERE'S SOMEONE OPERATING A BUSINESS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THEY MAY WANT TO SEND CODE ENFORCEMENT TO. WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY VEHICLES CAN YOU HAVE IN YOUR FRONT YARD, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE SIGNS ON THEM AND THEIR OPERATIONAL VEHICLES. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. BUT THANK YOU FOR LETTING IN A WAY, BECAUSE HE WANTS TO KEEP NUMEROUS CARS OUT OF THE YARDS. THAT'S PART OF THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO POLICE. HOW MANY VEHICLES IS IN YOUR YARD? NOT THE COUNTY. IS THERE AN ORDINANCE? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE COUNTY IS APPROVING IT. WELL, HOW DID I SAY THE COUNTY APPROVED? IF WE APPROVE THE. 
          [01:10:04]
CURRENTLY, IT REQUIRES A PARKING SPACE PER CHAIR. THAT'S TWO. PLUS, IT REQUIRES. WE NEED TO CHANGE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. I DON'T SEE WHERE. THEY NEED THREE SPACES FOR TWO CHAIRS. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING? I THINK WE ARE. I DON'T THINK WE ARE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH HERE. NO, I THINK Y'ALL ARE ON TWO DIFFERENT WAVELENGTHS. YEAH, WE'RE ON DIFFERENT WAVELENGTHS BECAUSE WE DON'T AGREE ON THE SUBJECT MATTER. BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GOT TWO CHAIRS DOESN'T MEAN THEY NEED THREE PARKING SPACES. THAT'S WHAT'S IN A HANDICAP. GOTTA HAVE A HANDICAP, I UNDERSTAND, BUT ONE YOU CAN HAVE ONE AND ONE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THERE AT A TIME. SO WHAT HAVE YOU GOT? THREE SPACES. OKAY, WELL, YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, SO I THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? BUT I AGREE, MAYBE YOU GUYS NEED MORE TIME. OKAY. 
          PEOPLE GOT TIME. YEAH. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT. ANY INPUT FROM THE STAFF? I SAW JAY RAISE HIS HAND. I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS SURRENDERING OR WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. RIGHT. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO SPEAK UP OR SURRENDER. SO COACH YOU. I PERSONALLY WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THIS MOTION WITH RESPECT TO WAS HE MAKING A MOTION TO ACTUALLY SAY THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT? NO NO NO NO NO NO. 
          MY MOTION IS TO SEND IT TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. AND OBVIOUSLY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S. 
          YES. NO TO TO GET THEM TO CONSIDER THIS AS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT AMENDMENT TODAY. IT'S A WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? CONSIDER THIS. CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. THIS IS JUST STEP ONE. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS. ONCE YOU GUYS WANT TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE TO PROPERLY ADVERTISE THIS IN THE NEWSPAPER AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS IN ORDER TO START THAT PROCESS. I'M SURE IT'LL HAVE TO COME BACK BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE I'M SURE IS GOING TO CHANGE. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT GO TO THEM FOR A REVIEW AND COMMENT. EXACTLY. OKAY. CAN THAT BE DONE UNOFFICIALLY WITHOUT ALL THAT? I TRIED THAT UNOFFICIALLY. THAT'S WHY I MADE A MOTION. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE. TRIED TO DO THINGS UNOFFICIALLY TO WHEN THEY. YEAH, YEAH. SO THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO PRESENT THIS TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. AS FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION AS A TEXT AMENDMENT. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT WILL TRIGGER VARIOUS. THINGS THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO DO. SO MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. 
          IT PASSES. SO IT WILL GO IN FRONT. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE 
          [V.C.1. Text Amendment to Appendices B, C & D 1st Reading - Vote Eligible]
COME BEFORE YOU IS ON OUR CONVERSATIONS AND WANTING TO GET LAWYERS IN HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE PUT OFF ANY CONSIDERATION OF THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE LAWYERS COME IN AND EXPLAIN THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SHALL AND OTHER THINGS, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING WILL HAVE. THAT IN HERE. NOW, IF YOU WANTED TO BREAK IT OUT AND DO THE POST OFFICE PART, I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS. REQUIRED THAT WELL, I DO BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE IN HERE. THE. IN WRITING ABOUT THE CHANGES BETWEEN A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND A FINAL PLAT, THE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TEXT AMENDMENTS, AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE WOULD THEN GO BACK AND MAKE THE CHANGES THAT YOU RECOMMENDED. I WOULD SEND IT TO YOU, BRING IT BEFORE YOU AND WHOEVER ELSE WANTS IT, AND THEN IT WOULD GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ON SEPTEMBER 1ST. WE WOULD NEED TO VOTE ON IT AGAIN HERE, THOUGH. SO THERE'S THE THE FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT, THE PROCEDURE IS FOR THE BOARD OF ZONING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. RIGHT. I TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND I PLACE THEM INSIDE THIS ORDINANCE. SAME THING THAT I DID WITH MR. MURPHY'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE AND HIS CORRECTIONS ON THERE. AND THEN I WOULD THEN SEND IT BACK TO YOU GUYS TO MAKE SURE I GOT IT CORRECT, EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS WOULD WANT. AND THEN IT GOES BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. SO WE WOULD REVIEW IT BEFORE YOU SEND IT TO THE COMMISSION. ABSOLUTELY, YES. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THEN I WITHDRAW MY. WE CAN, YOU CAN. OKAY. THE FIRST 
          [01:15:03]
TEXT AMENDMENT BROUGHT BEFORE YOU GUYS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A NEW ORDINANCE IS THE CENTRAL MAIL DELIVERY FACILITIES PURPOSE OF THIS OR THE INTENT OF THIS ORDINANCE IS TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR LOCATION OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE OF CENTRALIZED MAIL DELIVERY FACILITIES. WHEN PROPOSED BY THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE, WHILE ENSURING CLUSTER MAILBOX UNITS AND MAIL KIOSK FACILITIES ARE SITED SAFELY AND CONVENIENTLY FOR RESIDENTS, COMMERCIAL TENANT OR OWNER OCCUPANT POSTAL CARRIERS. BASICALLY, WHAT THIS SECTION IS MADE TO DO IS WE RECENTLY RAN INTO AN ISSUE OF USPS, UPDATED THEIR LIST OF REQUIREMENTS. AS FAR AS MAIL KIOSKS GOES, ANY NEW SUBDIVISIONS? THEY'RE REQUIRING MAIL KIOSKS TO BE PLACED. WE AS A STAFF AND AS FROM RECOMMENDATION FROM BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AS WELL, IS THAT THEY BE PLACED OFF OF COUNTY ROADS. THEY REPLACED OFF COUNTY ROADWAYS AND MAKE THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THE KIOSK ON EITHER AN HOA, THE BUILDER, OR THE HOMEOWNERS WITHIN THAT AREA. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A A SAFETY REQUIREMENT AND GIVES US SOME TYPE OF ORDINANCE AND STANDARDS TO GO BY WHEN WE ENFORCE THIS. ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ABOUT. HOW THIS WILL BE HANDLED. SO ARE WE DOING LIKE SECTION ONE, SECTION TWO AND THREE ALL AT THE SAME TIME? ARE WE DOING WELL? I GUESS WE'LL DO SECTION ONE AND THEN WE'LL MAKE COMMENTS ON THAT. SO WE'LL COME IN ON SECTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE JUST SOME GENERAL COMMENTS. BASICALLY, I ASSUME WE'RE UNDER THE UDA, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE ADOPTED LAST YEAR ON OUR WEBSITE. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO AND LOOK FOR IT. REFERENCES, MUNI CODES, AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OUTDATED STUFF ON OUR WEBSITE. AND IT'S REALLY NOT CLEAR TO ME AS A PERSON THAT SITS UP HERE, AND I KNOW IT'S CONFUSING TO PEOPLE THAT DON'T LOOK AT IT ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT. SO THE IDO, IT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE THAT ONCE WE APPROVE OR MAKE ANY OF THESE CHANGES, THE UDA WILL GET UPDATED. AND THERE WOULD BE ONE PLACE THAT A CITIZEN OF THE COMMUNITY COULD GO AND PULL UP. BUT THE WAY I LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE, IT LOOKS LIKE EACH TIME WE APPROVE SOMETHING, THE APPROVAL IS IS PLACED ON THE WEBSITE AND THE IDO IS NOT NECESSARILY UPDATED THAT YOU GOT TO GO LOOK THROUGH NUMEROUS APPROVALS TO FIND THE VERBIAGE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT APPLY TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. I THINK THAT ONCE WE APPROVE. 
          SOME CHANGES IN THE COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVES THE CHANGES. I THINK THE UDA NEEDS TO BE UPDATED SO IT'S CURRENT SO THAT THE CITIZENS OKAY, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER CIVIC PLUS. CIVIC PLUS GETS THE PDF AND THE WORD DOCUMENT, AND THEY CAN TAKE UP TO SIX MONTHS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET IT CODIFIED AND ON THERE. BUT THEY WILL PROVIDE THE PDF DOCUMENT ON THE SITE, AND IT'LL TELL YOU ALL THE NEW CHANGES THAT'S IN THERE. BUT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER CIVIC PLUS AT ALL. 
          HOW FAST DID THEY PUT THE PDF UP ON THEIR SITE? ONCE VALERIE GETS TO THEM SOMETIME, IT COULD BE A COUPLE OF WEEKS, SOMETIME IT COULD BE A COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO WE REALLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED PERIODICALLY. I MEAN, I, I CAN'T HELP IT IF IT TAKES TIME, BUT IT JUST NEEDS TO GO UNDONE. I MEAN, THAT WOULD AS A CITIZEN, YOU DON'T NEED TO NEED TO NOT KNOW THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS NOT CURRENT. I MEAN, IF I WANT TO GO IN AND LOOK AT HOME OCCUPATION, EXCEPT FOR BEAUTY STUFF, THEN WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS OUTDATED AND THEY'VE CHANGED IT. NOW THAT I CAN'T HAVE TWO CHAIRS, I GOTTA HAVE ONE CHAIR AND I CAN'T HAVE THREE PARKING SPACES. I CAN ONLY HAVE ONE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD TO GO. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION WITH VALERIE WEST. SO. WELL, I THINK WHAT HE'S ESSENTIALLY ASKING IS IF ONCE THEY MAKE A CHANGE THAT WE POSSIBLY HAVE A SECTION ON OUR WEBSITE AS A PUBLIC NOTICE THAT AS WE UPLOAD THE PDF OF WHAT AT THE END, WHEN THE COMMISSIONERS APPROVE IT. JUST. SO IN THE MEANTIME, WHEN MUNICODE IS TRYING TO UPDATE ALL OF OUR STUFF, WE AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR WEBSITE THAT STATES, HEY, THIS WAS CHANGED. YEAH, OKAY. AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, WHILE I AGREE ABOUT THE WEBSITE, WE ARE WORKING AS A COUNTY ON A NEW WEBSITE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN'T REMEMBER WORKING ON A NEW WEBSITE FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THAT IS, BUT IT'S GOT IT'S GOT THESE DIFFERENT DATES WHERE THESE THINGS ARE APPROVED AND YOU HAVE TO JUST OPEN THEM UP TO SEE WHAT'S IN THEM. YEAH. SECONDLY, SO THE NOMENCLATURE THAT I USE THROUGHOUT HERE IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE UDO CODE I FOUND IT, YOU HAVE TO FIND IT THE SUBSETS. SO LIKE ON THIS SECTION ONE YOU SAID THIS ARTICLE ROMAN NUMERAL FIVE. IT 
          [01:20:02]
SHOULD BE ARTICLE B POINT FIVE. AND DOWN HERE WHERE IT SAYS SECTION 5.8, IT SHOULD BE SECTION B 5.8 SO THAT IT COINCIDES WITH THE TABLE. THAT'S ON THE UDO CODE. WHICH SECTION ARE YOU LOOKING AT? SECTION ONE. CORRECT. OR AM I LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S OUTDATED? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I MEAN, I, I PRINTED OFF THE COPY OF THE TABLE AND IT HAS DIFFERENT SUBSETS. AND DOWN IN IS THE TROUP COUNTY CODE THE SAME AS UNICODE. SO UNICODE LISTS UNICODE, UNICODE LISTS ALL OF OUR ORDINANCE. TROUP COUNTY IS. WE USE MUNI CODE TO POST ORDINANCES. OKAY, SO. YEAH, THEY'LL CREATE ALL OF THE SUBSECTIONS AND THE SUBSECTIONS. 
          WHAT WE PUT IN HERE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL PUT ON THE SITE, BECAUSE WHAT WE HAD IN THE UDO THAT NEVER TRANSLATED OVER TO THE CIVIC. PLUS, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN WAY OF PUTTING THE NUMERATION ON THERE. WHY AREN'T WE MATCHING THEIR WAY IN THAT? THAT'S ON THAT SUBJECT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE THAT CODE IS NOT SEARCHABLE BECAUSE IT'S ALL PDFS. THOSE ARE FOR THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT SET OVER ON THE SIDE, BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEARCH FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ONCE IT'S CODIFIED, ONCE IT'S OKAY. ONCE IT'S CODIFIED. ALL RIGHT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY CODIFIED? MUNICODE DOES WHAT THEY DO CIVIL PLUS DO WHAT THEY DO AND THEY PUT IT IN THE ORDER. IT'S NOT LEGAL UNTIL THEY CODIFIED. 
          IT IS LEGAL WHEN IT'S. BUT TO GET IT FOR IT, IT'S SEARCHABLE. THEY HAD TO CODIFY IT. MEANING PUT ALL OF THE CODES OF WHAT CODIFIED MEANS IS IT'S A FINAL APPROVED PRODUCT. IT APPROVED ON THE DAY THAT THE COMMISSIONER SAYS IT'S APPROVED. OKAY, SO YOU SAID ANY SUBTITLES ARE NOT CORRECT OR I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID. THE SECTION ONE IS NOT GOING TO BE PART OF IT. THAT'S US. SECTION ONE IS US. THAT'S OUR THINGS FOR GOING BEFORE THE BOARD. BUT WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO THE SUBSECTIONS OR THE SECTIONS THEY MADE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE YOU THE CODE WHERE IT SAYS ARTICLE ARTICLE FIVE, ROMAN NUMERAL FIVE, CIVIC DESIGN, THAT'S NOT WHAT IS ON THE UDO CODE. IT'S IT'S ARTICLE B POINT FIVE. IF YOU PULL UP ON OUR WEBSITE, IT SAYS ARTICLE B POINT FIVE. IT DOESN'T SAY ARTICLE ROMAN NUMERAL FIVE. AND WE'LL CHECK ON IT AND SEE AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT CORRECT. THEN ON THE SECOND PAGE WHERE YOU GOT SUBSECTION C, YOU GOT THAT LISTED TWICE. THE SECOND ONE NEEDS TO BE D, OKAY. PAGE 44. THE VERY LAST PARAGRAPH OF SECTIONS ONE. OH THANK YOU. I'LL GET A CHANGE AND I'LL LOOK AT THE OTHER ONE AND MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECT. THEN THERE'S SECTION TWO. YOU GOT ARTICLE ROMAN NUMERAL SIX AND IT SHOULD BE ARTICLE B POINT SIX. AND THEN YOU GOT SECTION 6.1. BUT IT SHOULD BE SECTION B 6.1 SO THAT IT COINCIDES WITH THE UDO CODE. OKAY. AND THIS ONE I'M GOING I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND TELL YOU THE SECTION THREE THIS ARTICLE. ROMAN NUMERAL SEVEN. 
          BUT IT SHOULD BE B POINT SEVEN. AND SECTION B 7.3 AND NOT 7.3. AND THEN UNDER H SECTION I. 
          THERE'S HOME OCCUPATION. THINGS ARE LABELED. 5.1. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN LABELED AS 6.1. OKAY. 
          THOSE SHOULD BE UPDATED IN THE THING. AND I DO NEED TO CHANGE IT ON THERE. BUT ON THE NEW HOME OCCUPATION WE SENT THEM, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECTED THERE, BUT IT'S STILL IN PDF FORMAT. IT HASN'T BEEN CODIFIED. SO I'LL GO IN AND PUT THE RIGHT THING. AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE NOT REALLY WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE, THEY'RE JUST NOT THING UNTIL THEY CHANGE THOSE. 
          THERE'S NOT MUCH WE. IS THERE A WAY THAT WHEN WE PUT SOMETHING WE CAN BEFORE. SO WE'RE NOT ALL CONFUSED BECAUSE IT'S VERY CONFUSING FOR US. IT'S GOT TO BE CONFUSING FOR YOU. AND I KNOW THE CITIZENS, WE COULDN'T FIGURE THIS STUFF OUT WITHOUT A MASTERS, HOW TO PUT IT IN THESE SUGGESTIONS, OUR CHANGES THAT WILL MATCH WHAT UNICODE DOES. WHY ARE WE NOT PUTTING THIS IN 
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THE SAME FORMAT AS THE UNICODE? THIS IS WHAT I ACTUALLY COPIED VERBATIM FROM MUNICODE AND PUT IN HERE. I DID NOT CHANGE THESE. I PUT THIS PULLED IT UP ON THE WEBSITE, THE GOVERNMENT WEBSITE. 
          I PULLED THE UDO UP AND IT SHOWS A DIFFERENT FORMAT THAN THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE IS LIKE AN OLD FORMAT FROM UNICODE. THIS IS FROM THE UDO. THE UDO PDF OR DIFFERENT FORMATS, THE UDO PDF OR THE UNICODE, THE THE PDF THAT YOU CAN PULL UP ON THE GOVERNMENT WEBSITE ON THE BOARD IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME UNICODE. YEAH. CIVIC PLUS IS GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING IT. AND THIS IS WHAT I COPIED FROM IS WHY AREN'T WE FORMATTING OUR ORDINANCES TO MATCH THEIR FORMATTING? THIS HOME OCCUPATION DOES THIS HOME OCCUPATION DOES. OH, YOU'RE TALKING WHAT'S IN THE PDF. IT'S NOT GOING TO MATCH UNICODE AT ALL. WHY NOT? I DON'T KNOW. THAT WAS A WHOLE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PLACED IN JUST THE OWN. YOU HAVE TO REALIZE TOO, THAT THE ONE THAT'S PROVIDED ON THE WEBSITE IS ONE THAT WAS PUT UP WHEN THE UDO WAS APPROVED ON AUGUST THE 1ST, IF I BELIEVE IF I'M CORRECT. SO THE ONE ON UNICODE IS THE MOST UPDATED ONE, THE ONE THE PDF HAS BEEN REQUESTED HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFF THE WEBSITE. AS A CITIZEN OF TROUP COUNTY, WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO GO LOOK TO FIND THE CORRECT CODE ON BUILDING AND LICENSING. YOU WOULD. THERE'S A LINK TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES THAT YOU CAN CLICK ON IT TO GO. THERE IS A LINK TO THE MUNICODE ON ON THE BUILDING. ANSWERING MY QUESTION SIR, FOR HIS. WHY ARE WE NOT FORMATTING OUR ORDINANCE SUGGESTIONS TO MATCH WHAT MUNICODE WILL DO WITH IT? THE HOME OCCUPATION THAT IS ON HERE WAS EVERYTHING. NOT JUST THIS ONE, BUT THE WHOLE WHY WHEN WE GET THESE. BECAUSE ALL THE ORDINANCES STUFF WE'VE EVER GOT, NOTHING MATCHES. YOU JUST SAID MUNICODE CHANGES IT. SO WHY ARE WE NOT PUTTING IT INTO MUNICODE FORMAT WHEN IT'S PRESENTED HERE? I WILL LOOK AT THE ONE FOR THE MAILBOX TO SEE IF IT MATCHES. BUT THE HOME OCCUPATION WAS VERBATIM, DIDN'T HE JUST POINTED OUT RIGHT. WELL, NO, THE WEEDS MATTER WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. I THINK AUSTIN ARTICULATED IT ON AUGUST 1ST. WHAT WAS. BECAUSE NOTHING HAD BEEN PUT IN MUNICODE YET, RIGHT. BUT THAT WHEN WHEN THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OR WHEN YOU SAW THEN THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR THE EPO WAS A PDF THAT WE AGREED THAT THAT YES, IT HAD MAYBE A, B, C ONE, TWO, THREE. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S FORMATTED, BUT THE VERBIAGE. ANYWAY. SO SO THAT PDF WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS SAY TO GO INTO EFFECT AUGUST 1ST IN THAT PDF MAY STILL THEN BE COMPOUNDING THAT PDF THAT WAS APPROVED IS STILL THEN MAY BE ON OUR WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN CLICK ON IT, CLICK ON IT SOMEWHERE ON YOUR WEBSITE. AND SO YOU'RE SEEING THE PDF THAT WAS SAYING THE ORIGINAL DRAFT, IT WAS APPROVED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IT'S WHAT I FOUND WHEN I WENT TO TRY TO TRY TO COMPARE. AND IT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S JUST A PDF THAT STAFF MADE OF THE ORDINANCE WHEN IT GOES TO UNICODE, WHICH IS A COMPANY THAT THEY FLAT OUT TELL YOU, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOUR WORDS, YOUR WORDS ARE GOING TO BE THERE, BUT WE MAY CHANGE THE WAY YOU'RE MISSING. I THINK YOU'RE MISSING HIS POINT. IN MY POINT, YOU CAN'T CROSS-REFERENCE AND CHECK THESE THINGS FROM THE PDF TO THE MUNICODE. SO WHY ARE OUR PDFS NOT CREATED IN THE SAME FORMAT THAT MUNICODE IS GOING TO USE? IS IT TOO HARD TO CHANGE A PDF TO MATCH THEIRS? WHEN THAT WAS MADE? WHEN THAT WAS MADE, I BELIEVE WE THOUGHT IT WAS. BUT THEN WHEN THEY DO WHAT THEY DO, THEY THEY MIGHT CHANGE B-1 VERSUS B DOT B DOT FOUR THE WAY THEY FORMAT IT, BUT THE WORDS DON'T CHANGE. NOW TO YOUR POINT, I AGREE THAT IF YOU PULL, IF SOMEONE GOOGLES SOMETHING AND IF DAVID TELLS SOMEBODY, GO TO THE SECTION THREE, ARTICLE TWO, BLAH DE BLAH, THEY CAN'T FIND IT IN MUNICODE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN. THAT'S MY POINT. SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD THAT INTO ANY ORDINANCE WE APPROVE. WHY HE'S FINDING THE DIFFERENCE. PAUL CIVIC PLUS OVER. AND THAT'S WHY HE'S FINDING THE DIFFERENCE TO WHAT'S IN THIS TO WHAT'S IN THAT PDF. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN USING CIVIC PLUS AND THE FULL LANGUAGE OVER TWO IN THE THING. 
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SO THAT'S WHY HE'S FINDING THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY THERE'S STILL A PDF OUT THERE. 
          AND THERE'S UNICODE TO YOUR POINT, ARE THEY USING THE SAME EXACT A DOT ONE OR B DOT TWO? NOW WHY CAN'T THEY. BECAUSE IT'S OUR CODE. DON'T WE KNOW WHERE OUR CODE SHOULD FIT INTO MUNICODE? IT'S NOT AS EASY AS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I GUESS I DIDN'T RUN A BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS AT SOME POINT. THEN WE JUST NEED TO TAKE THE PDF DOWN. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE. WE DON'T NEED TO USE THE PDF ANYMORE. WE ASKED MORE THAN ONCE FOR IT TO COME DOWN. AMENDMENTS TO IT? YES. SINCE IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED, IT'S IT'S OLD. IT'S NOT THE CURRENT ANYMORE. IT DOES TAKE, I THINK, GENERALLY UP TO SIX MONTHS TO GET SOME OF THOSE THINGS UPDATED AFTER THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS VOTE ON THEM. THEY BECOME LAW ON THE DATE THAT THEY VOTE AND WE SEND THEM TO MUNICODE, AND THEN IT TAKES MONTHS FOR THEM TO UPDATE THEM. IN THE MEANTIME, THERE IS A PDF SITTING THERE. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO REFERENCE THAT ONE, THEY CAN SEE IT. BUT IT TAKES MONTHS FOR MUNICODE TO GET IT CODIFIED AND GET IT ON THERE. AND THEN AND THEN THAT ONE IS THE, YOU KNOW, IS THE ONE I ALWAYS GO TO THE ONE THAT'S ON MUNICODE, BUT I HAVE TO I HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN AN AMENDMENT OVER THE LAST TWO, THREE, FOUR MONTHS, MAYBE 5 OR 6 MONTHS, AND IT WON'T BE IN THERE YET. YOU KNOW THAT THE AVERAGE CITIZEN DOESN'T KNOW THAT. I KNOW IT'S A PROBLEM. I AGREE, I AGREE, IT'S A PROBLEM. 
          I DO KNOW THAT WHEN WE FINALLY GOT MUNICODE TO TO CODIFY THAT FULL UDO DOCUMENT, I STOPPED USING THE PDF. I NEVER WENT BACK TO THE PDF. I ALWAYS GO TO MUNICODE FROM NOW ON. ON THAT DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT'S ALL ON THERE. NOW. CAN YOU PULL IT UP? PULL UP THE CODE, GO TO MUNICODE FOR ME, PLEASE. YES, YOU'RE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE NOW. LET ME BRING UP FOR YOU. 
          NO, NO. ALRIGHT. SEE YOU LATER. YEAH. OKAY. IF YOU START AT THE COUNTY HOME PAGE AND YOU GO TO BUILDING AND LICENSING, THERE'S THE CODE OF ORDINANCES LINK. AND THEN RIGHT HERE YOU OPEN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND IT TAKES YOU TO MUNICODE. AND THAT'S THE CURRENT CODE. AND WITH ALL CHANGES, WITH ALL THE CHANGES EITHER CODIFIED OR NOT YET CODIFIED, IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NOT YET CODIFIED, BUT THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN THE CODIFIED CODE. WHEN IT'S OVER HERE ON THE LEFT AND IT'S GOT A BLUE THING MODIFIED, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT THAT ONE WAS UPDATED RECENTLY. OKAY. HOW CAN A CHAPTER 60. OKAY, ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON. Y'ALL AREN'T UNDERSTANDING WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO DO, BUT. SO MY VOTE WOULD BE FOR THESE CHANGES. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION, CHANGING THE NOTATION OF THE SUBSETS TO MATCH THEM UP WITH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERSUS THE. WE'LL BE GOING FORWARD. I'LL KNOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE DONE SECTION ONE, NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POSTAL SERVICE. THE NEXT CHANGE THAT WE HAD WAS A FOR THE PERMITTED USE TABLE FOR THE DOG KENNEL TO JUST REMOVE THE WORD HOBBY AND REFERENCED IT BACK IN SECTION SUBSECTION EIGHT. AGAIN, THE, THE, THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE STAYS PRETTY WELL, THE EXACT SAME. IT IS AN ACCESSORY. USE THE. THE ONLY CHANGE THAT YOU WILL SEE IS IN LETTER E AS FAR AS HAVING IT GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND PLANNING, AND AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL AND HOBBY CAT KENNELS, WHETHER HOBBY OR NOT, WILL NOT BE COMING BEFORE US OR THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. CORRECT? IS IT HAS TO. IT STILL HAS TO MEET ALL THE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION EIGHT. BUT IT. NO, IT WOULD NO LONGER COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING. IT'S CONSIDERED A PERMITTED. IT'S CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY USE. 
          OKAY. A PERMITTED ACCESSORY PERMITTED PERMITTED PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. SECTION FOUR. SECTION FOUR IS THE CHANGE TO THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION. SIMPLY PROCEDURAL DOES NOT CHANGE. THE POINT. SYSTEM RATING SYSTEM THAT WE USE DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT FOR THE PROCEDURE AND SOME SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD GO INTO PLACE FOR THE MAJOR SUBDIVISION SECTION OF THIS CODE. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD KEEP OUR INFORMAL REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THE SUBDIVISIONS MEET ALL THE NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS TO GO BEFORE BOARD OF ZONING AND BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. THE 
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BOARD OF ZONING WOULD CHANGE AND WOULD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, AND THEN THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. SO THIS IS WHERE WE, AS A BOARD COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEIR CHANGE, THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT. YOU'D RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL. HOWEVER, IF THEY MEET THE POINT SYSTEM, AS SANDY WAS SAYING EARLIER, IF THEY MEET ALL OF OUR STANDARDS ON OUR POINT SYSTEM, IT'S. WE CANNOT NOT LEGALLY, WE CANNOT DENY THE APPLICATION. YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL. THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DENY THE APPLICATION, THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS IF THEY DID NOT MEET A STANDARD THAT WE HAVE SET FORTH IN THE UDO. AND TO JAY'S POINT, YOU DON'T ALLOW IT TO COME FORWARD TO US. WE DO NOT ALLOW SUBDIVISION TO COME BEFORE YOU OR THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS UNTIL IT HAS MET ALL OF OUR STANDARDS. OKAY. CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY I WAS REMOVED OR THE CHAIRMAN'S POSITION WAS REMOVED FROM THE COMMUNITY REVIEW BOARD, SUBDIVISION REVIEW BOARD, WHATEVER YOU CALL IT. I CANNOT I'M NOT AWARE. IT WASN'T EXPLAINED TO US. OH, WE JUST WANTS TO YOU. YOU WENT THROUGH. THEN WE NOTICED THAT YOU WEREN'T ON THERE ANYMORE. SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXPLANATION BEHIND THAT AT ALL. IS THAT SOMETHING I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO GET PUT BACK ON, OR I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW UP WHETHER I'M ON THE BOARD OR NOT? YOU YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN MAKE A MOTION TO PUT IT BACK ON. AND OKAY, AGAIN, IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BECAUSE THERE IS A REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWS PRELIMINARY AND THE MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS, AND I WAS ON THAT. YOU NEED TO BE ON THERE. WELL, THEY TOOK ME OFF IT. THE INFORMAL MEETING. THIS IS THE INFORMAL MEETING BEFOREHAND TO GO OVER THINGS UP THERE. YEAH, WE NEED A REP THERE AND IT NEEDS TO BE CHAIRMAN. SO I WILL BE. ADDING THAT TO THIS LIST. IF YOU LOOK ON THE ADMINISTRATION, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS AND THAT IT SAID THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD CHAIR, IT WAS UNDER THERE AND THEN IT WAS REMOVED. ALL RIGHT. SO I NEED TO MOVE THAT INTO A DIFFERENT. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE UNDER C IN THIS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO US FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THEN PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL. THIS GOES BACK TO OUR WHOLE DISCUSSION. OKAY. THIS IS THE SAME AS A REZONING, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. ANY OF THOSE THAT THAT ULTIMATELY WHAT IT'S SAYING IS YOU ALL REVIEW IT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF APPROVAL OR DENIAL, JUST LIKE THE REZONING, JUST LIKE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, JUST LIKE A HOME OCCUPATION. BUT, BUT IT REALLY ISN'T BECAUSE WITH REZONING, THE STAFF DOES NOT TAKE A POSITION. BUT IN THE CASE OF A SUBDIVISION, WE AS A BOARD ARE RELYING ON THE STAFF FOR YOU TO HAVE DONE YOUR JOB, THAT ALL THE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET. 
          SO IT'S WE'VE NEVER BROUGHT YOU ONE THAT I KNOW THAT DIDN'T MEET ALL THE STANDARDS. AND IF YOU DID, IF YOU I MEAN, YOU MIGHT BE FORCED TO. I MEAN, THE APPLICANT MIGHT SAY, I WANT THIS REVIEWED BY THE BOARD, IN WHICH CASE YOU WOULD SAY THEY DON'T MEET STANDARD X, Y, Z OR. 
          YEAH. AND THEN IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT BALL OF WAX IN TERMS OF UP OR DOWN VOTES. SO WE COULD VOTE NOT TO RECOMMEND A SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY PLAT. IF IT DOES, IF IF, IF IT COMES BEFORE YOU AND IT DOESN'T MEET STANDARD. OKAY, THEN WHY IS THE WORD RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS ORDINANCE? IT'S A BETTER WORD THAN STAMP OF APPROVAL. YES. OH, WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO KNOW. 
          WE'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO THAT THE GAME IS ALREADY SET. THE SCORE. THE SCORE IS ALREADY FIGURED BECAUSE WE AS A BOARD HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO DO THEIR JOB RIGHT, AND THEIR JOB IS TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT MEETS ALL OF THOSE MINIMUM CONDITIONS AND STANDARDS. YEAH. YOU EXPLAINED THAT TO THE PITCHFORKS OUT THERE. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY. I DIDN'T SEE ANY TODAY, BUT I SURE SAW SOME ON THE BRADLEY ROAD THING. THERE WERE A COUPLE HERE, BUT THAT'S I MEAN, DID YOU HEAR WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT? ONE WAS ABOUT TRAFFIC, ONE WAS ABOUT THE. THAT'S ALL. 
          THAT'S ALL THEY ARE ALL ABOUT. ONE WAS. ONE WAS ABOUT WELLS AND SEPTIC TANKS, NONE OF WHICH ENTERED INTO OUR DECISION FOR APPROVAL. I KNOW, BUT THEY WASN'T HERE. HIS ASSISTANT TOLD 
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US THAT HE HAD REVIEWED IT AND THERE WAS THERE WERE NOT ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES. THE APPLICANT CAME UP 2 OR 3 TIMES AND STATED THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT HE WAS CONVINCED THAT THE DECELL LANE WOULD BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF IT, AND HE WAS WILLING TO PUT THE DECELL LANE IN WITHOUT IT. WHY DO WE ALLOW THE FOLKS TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT IT IF WE CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS TO DO? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY, SO WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE. YOU CAN MAKE THE ORDINANCE, SHOULD THERE BE A COMMISSION REVIEW OR A BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, YOU'RE DOING WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, AND WE ARE DOING WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS. I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE ORDINANCE. NOW, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. AND TO TO THAT POINT, SHOULD THERE NOT BE A PREAMBLE BEFORE EACH SUBDIVISION REVIEW OF WHAT THAT IS SUCCINCTLY STATED, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. I'M GOING TO SAY IT UP FRONT THAT YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT THE DECISION'S BEEN MADE. I WOULDN'T PHRASE IT THAT WAY. WELL, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. 
          YEAH. THE ROCK A DECISION BECAUSE THEY HAVE MET ALL THAT WAS THE DECISION THAT THEY THEY MADE THE DECISION. HOW MANY CONDITIONS ARE THERE WOULD YOU HAZARD A GUESS. THERE ARE TO TO ONE THAT MEETS THE CONDITION. WE'RE WASTING TIME RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. WELL WE'RE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. WE NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THIS. NO WE DON'T. WE'LL MOVE ON WITH WHAT WE WANT TO ASK. JAY, I GOT QUESTIONS. I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS STUFF WORKS, NOT JUST YOU WANT US TO RUBBER STAMP SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT RUBBER STAMPING. I GOT QUESTIONS, OKAY. THE OTHER OPTION IS TO TAKE IT OUT OF PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN HEAR IT AS A SEPARATE ITEM AFTER PUBLIC HEARING. I'M. I DIDN'T FOLLOW WHAT WOULD THAT DO? CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING. OPEN IT OPEN AND JUST OH, OH, I'M SORRY. YOU MEAN RIGHT NOW? OKAY. NO, I MEAN, IF YOU WOULD NOT LIKE THE PUBLIC TO PUT ALL OF THE INPUT, THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS TO REMOVE IT FROM PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT. WHAT AUSTIN IS PRESENTING IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S A CHANGE HERE THAT SAYS THE BOARD OF ZONING ISN'T MAKING THE FINAL DECISION. THE BOARD OF ZONING IS GOING TO HEAR IT, AND IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE COMMISSION. RIGHT? OKAY. 
          THIS TEXT AMENDMENT, IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL ANY BETTER, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DENY IT IF IT MEETS ALL THE STANDARDS AND THE ROAD SPECIFICATIONS. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND, I JUST DON'T LIKE DOING SHAM MEETINGS, WASTING THEIR TIME. SO WE GOTTA CHANGE SOMETHING. I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT TO THE PEOPLE HERE, THINKING THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE IT UP OR DOWN, AND WHY DIDN'T WE? AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE YOU AND THE COMMISSIONERS CAN CHANGE THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IT'S 100% ADMINISTRATIVE. THERE YOU GO. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. THE BE ABLE TO COME AND SAY THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AWAY WITH. THEY DON'T WANT THE PEOPLE THEY WOULDN'T THEY WOULDN'T. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT. IT IS THE INTENT. NOW THEY'RE ADDING ANOTHER STEP. 
          THEY'RE NOT TAKING AWAY A STEP. THEY'RE ADDING ANOTHER STEP. THE WAY IT WAS CHANGED 20 YEARS AGO, 18 YEARS AGO, WAS TO ADD A STEP. AND THIS WOULD ADD ANOTHER STEP. THEY'RE TAKING THE THE HAVE AN ORDINANCE LOCALLY THAT SAYS IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW ONLY. AND THEN YOU DON'T SEE IT AND THEY DON'T SEE IT. OR YOU COULD HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU SEE IT AND THEY DON'T SEE IT, OR YOU COULD HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU SEE IT AND THEY SEE IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW. YES, IS I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY GOT ONE THAT BOTH OF YOU SEE IT, BUT YOU'RE THE ONE THAT APPROVES IT. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT JUST SEE IT. THEY DON'T. WHAT MY POINT IS WE'RE APPROVING NOTHING. YES WE ARE, BECAUSE THE STAFF HAS DONE THEIR JOB TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL OF THE CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. THE WAY THIS IS SET UP, THEY HAVE DONE THE WORK. THEY'RE JUST BRINGING IT TO US. 
          AND TO THIS POINT, IT IS GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO COME SPEAK. RIGHT. BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO COME SPEAK. I MEAN, THERE COULD BE A TIME WHEN SOMETHING WOULD COME UP THAT MIGHT CHANGE THINGS. KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING. IT CAN'T CHANGE THINGS. I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY SAY OUT THERE. IF IT'S A 2 TO 2 VOTE, I HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT WHETHER I WANT TO OR NOT. LEGALLY, THAT'S MY REQUIREMENT. LEGALLY, YOU'RE THAT'S WHY YOU GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT BASICALLY, THERE IS NO POINT IN US HAVING A VOTE ON THIS. I HAD THE POINTS, BUT YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO AWAY WITH IT. NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO AWAY WITH IT, BUT I WANT TO HAVE A REAL INPUT ON IT, NOT JUST A RUBBER STAMP VOTE. THEN THERE'S A PREAMBLE THAT'S STATED BEFORE EACH SUBDIVISION REVIEW BY YOU AS THE CHAIRMAN OR BY THE COUNTY PLANNER AS TO WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE AND WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO, SO THAT THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THEY CAN STILL SPEAK, BUT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT THE BAD GUYS IN THEIR MIND. OH, IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY MET THE REQUIREMENTS. WELL, YEAH, THEY GOT THE POINT. ALRIGHT TO TO PUSH IT FORWARD. WHO. OKAY. RIGHT. THE OTHER CHANGE THAT WE 
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HAVE IN HERE IS PUBLIC NOTICE. BASICALLY JUST REQUIRING A SIGN 15 DAYS, 15 DAYS BEFORE, BUT NOT MORE THAN 45 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DATE OF THE HEARING, SAID NOTICE IS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY. IT INCLUDES THE OWNER SUBDIVIDER SUBDIVISIONS. NAME, LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY TAX, PARCEL NUMBERS. NUMBER OF LOTS, CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT, DATE, TIME AND ADDRESS OF HEARING. 
          AGAIN, THESE CHANGES ARE STRICTLY PROCEDURAL AND NATURAL IN NATURE. PRELIMINARY PLAT PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS PRIOR TO THE PLAT BEING CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS FOR FINAL APPROVAL. AGAIN, THEY ARE TAKING IT FROM YOU GUYS HAVING THE THE FINAL SAY IN A PRELIMINARY PLAT TO NOW US HAVING A RECOMMENDATION, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE FINAL SAY IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEY APPROVE IT. BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM LAST MEETING. WE HAVE ADDED AN APPLICANT ATTENDANCE SECTION, SECTION F. NOW WE ARE REQUIRING THEM TO BE HERE UNLESS THEY PROVIDE A WRITTEN NOTICE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE AN AGENT OR A REPRESENTATIVE COMING IN THERE TO REPRESENT THEM. THIS IS ON ANY MAJOR SUBDIVISION, OKAY. 
          AND THAT SHOULD BE ON ANY SUBDIVISION, MAJOR REZONING, ANYTHING. WELL, THIS WORDING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU IS FOR THAT. YES, MAJOR. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY WORDING ANYWHERE ELSE. THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT I REQUIRE THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION TO REPRESENT SOMEBODY, THEY WILL NOT BE HEARD. OKAY. RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, WE NEED TO ADD THAT TO THE OTHER ONES. YEAH. BECAUSE JUST LAST TIME WHEN MR. STONE GOT UP, WE HAD NO PROOF THAT HE COULD ACTUALLY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. WHICH THIS REQUIREMENT ON, ON F WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE A WRITTEN NOTICE. OH, YOU'RE ONLY INCLUDING THAT ON A MAJOR SUBDIVISION THAT NEEDS TO BE ON EVERY APPLICATION OF ANY SORT, JUST LIKE YOU ASKED THIS GUY TODAY. DID, DID HE HAVE IT IN WRITING FROM THE LANDOWNER, THAT TYPE OF THING. THE FINAL PLAT REVIEW PROCEDURE WOULD WOULD NOT GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN THIS PROPOSAL. AND THEN IT WOULD STRICTLY BE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WHERE WE REVIEW IT. THE COUNTY ENGINEER REVIEWS IT, COUNTY PLANNER, TROUP COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH REVIEWS IT, AND WE WOULD THEN ADMINISTRATIVELY ACCEPT THE FINAL PLAT. OKAY. HERE WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. IS IT HERE SAYS THERE'S IN. WHERE DO WE GET IT IN INTO THE CODE ABOUT WHAT WE. WHAT IS A CHANGE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK? OR DOES IT EVEN MATTER? AS OF RIGHT NOW, IF IT IS A MAJOR CHANGE, ADDING OR SUBTRACTING OF LOTS CHANGE OF ROAD, IT COMES BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS BECAUSE NOW IT IS NO LONGER AN APPROVED PLAT. DOES THAT GET REVIEWED ON THE POINT SYSTEM? IT WOULD GO BACK BEFORE OUR POINT SYSTEM. THEY START THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN. OKAY. 
          THIS WHOLE PROCESS THEY START OVER AGAIN ENDS UP WITH US RUBBER STAMPING WHATEVER IS PRESENTED. IF IF IT MEETS STANDARDS. YEAH, YEAH, IF IT MEETS STANDARDS. BUT. ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT RECENTLY WAS THE DAIRY AT HILLCREST. YOU APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR IT WITH WATER, AND THEN THEY CAME IN AND SAID THEY WANT TO DO IT ON WELLS, AND IT CAME BACK BEFORE YOU. WE STARTED THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN. THEY HAD TO REDO THE POINT SYSTEM AND THEY CAME BACK BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL TO THE DAIRY AT HILLCREST ON WELLS, AND YOU APPROVED IT. OKAY, I REMEMBER THAT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I JUST CURIOUS MINDS WANT TO KNOW THE FINAL TEXT AMENDMENT ON THE ON THE AGENDA IS A FEMA UPDATE CAME FROM FEMA UPDATE TO OUR FLOOD ORDINANCE. ADD SOME DIFFERENT VERNACULAR IN THERE THAT THEY RECOMMENDED TO RIGHT INTO YOUR ORDINANCES. THEY DO SO EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE THEY MAKE CHANGES AND TO FLOOD MAPS. AND AS FIRMS COME OUT AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, DO YOU KNOW OF A SITE WHERE YOU CAN GO BACK AND SEE ACTUALLY HOW MUCH THEY HAVE INCREASED THEIR FLOODPLAIN? I MEAN, I SEE WHERE 
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IT IS, BUT I DON'T SEE THEY DON'T HISTORICAL HISTORICAL. NO, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD FIND THAT I'VE GOT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY HAVE TAKEN OF MY LAND AND PUT IT IN FLOODPLAIN. AND AS THE BOARD OF ASSESSORS REALLY TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, WHEN THEY KEEP RAISING THE VALUE OF MY LAND, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE TAKEN MORE BUILDABLE, USABLE LAND AWAY FROM ME, I'VE GOT SEVERAL SETS OF OLD PAPER FIRMS THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT ANYTIME IN MY OFFICE. THEY'RE THE FLOOD MAPS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MANY OF THE OLD REVISIONS, BECAUSE THEY DO KEEP ADDING. IT'S RARE THAT THEY WOULD CHANGE A ZONE IF THEY DID. I THINK YOU WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. I MEAN, THEY JUST CREEP A LITTLE BIT. IT'S NOT A MAJOR. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY RARELY CHANGE THOSE. IF THEY DO, IT'S BECAUSE OF A STUDY. AND AND YOU WOULD YOU WOULD TYPICALLY KNOW ABOUT IT IF THEY DID A STUDY. THEY THEY RARELY DO A STUDY. THEY'VE DONE THEM ALONG THE RIVER. BUT, BUT IN OTHER AREAS, THEY, THEY RARELY MAKE A CHANGE. OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE RAISED THEIR FLOODPLAIN. INCREASED THE 100 YEAR FLOOD HEIGHT. OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO WHERE ARE WE NOW? WE'VE GOT THAT'S END OF OUR TEXT AMENDMENTS. ALL RIGHT. END OF THE TEXT AMENDMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T BUILT INTO IT. SANDY, YOU'VE ADDED YOU WANT TO ADD YOUR PERSONAL CARE THING TO IT. WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT PERSONAL CARE. 
          WELL, THIS YEAR I MADE THE MOTION. YEAH. YOU MADE THE MOTION THAT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. SO WE GOT THE POST OFFICE PEOPLE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD POST OFFICES NOW. POST OFFICE BOXES IN FRONT, WHICH PERSONALLY GOING TO LOOK UGLY AND TEAR UP STUFF. BUT THAT'S I DO WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IF YOU GUYS DO RECOMMEND GOING FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE, AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN FOR THE MAJOR SUBDIVISIONS. AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE POSTING GOES, THAT YOU ALSO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT CHANGING OUR FEE SCHEDULE SO WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THOSE SIGNS. YES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS THAT THESE BE RAISED TO WHAT, FIVE, 600, $700? WHAT WE'LL END UP DOING IS WE'LL END UP MAKING DOING RESEARCH AND BRINGING IT BEFORE, IF YOU WISH, BRING IT BEFORE YOU AND THE REST OF THE BOARD IN ORDER TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON ON PRICE. BUT WHAT WHAT I USUALLY DO WHEN IT COMES TO A FEE SCHEDULE IS I TAKE WHAT OTHER COUNTIES AND CITIES AROUND US DO, AND THEN I, I BASICALLY MATCH, WELL, CAN'T WE QUIT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO PRINT THEM BIG ENOUGH HERE, RIGHT? I CAN DO EITHER OR WHATEVER YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS. 
          I MAY NOT HAVE IT HIGH ENOUGH. I WAS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT MY NORMAL PROCESS IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT A DIFFERENT PROCESS. IF THEY'RE ONLY DOING A THREE BY THREE SIGN AND WE WANT FOUR BY FOURS, WE MAY NEED MORE MONEY. CAN WE PUT IT ON A A IN SLIDING SCALE THAT IT'S SET TO BE? WHAT IS NECESSARY TO PRINT A 4X4 AT THAT POINT? IT HAS TO BE. IT HAS TO BE A SET NUMBER. IT HAS TO BE A SET NUMBER. IT HAS TO BE A SET NUMBER. AND I WILL GET YOU THE COST OF WHAT IT CURRENTLY COST US TO PRINT A FOUR BY SIX SIGN. YEAH. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. EVEN EVEN IF IT'S TWO THREE BY THREES. CAN THEY DO THAT? AND PUT THEM TOGETHER. 
          IT DEPENDS ON THE SHOP WHETHER THEY CAN MAKE IT OR NOT. YEAH. WELL I MEAN CAN'T WE FIND A SHOP THAT CAN DO IT LIKE THAT. OR ARE WE TIED TO CERTAIN SHOPS. WE DON'T HAVE MANY HERE THAT DOES IT. AND WE REALLY THERE'S ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE ON I THINK ON CONTRACT THAT CAN DOES THAT DO THAT KIND OF WORK. I JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT CONTRACT, BUT HAVE A, I KNOW PRINTING A FOUR BY SIX SIGN AT ONE TIME IS GOING TO COST A LOT MORE THAN PRINTING TWO SIGNS THAT GO BESIDE GET PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE A FOUR BY SIX. THERE'S 24 BY 36. YEAH. AND 18 BY 24 AND THE FOUR BY SIX, IF YOU LAY THEM OUT, YOU CAN GET THE SIZE SIGN YOU WANT. SIX DEVELOPER WILL PAY. 
          THE DEVELOPER. YEAH. WELL THAT'S GOOD. ALRIGHT. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IF THERE'S A MAJOR, A CHANGE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK IN FRONT OF US 
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JUST SO WE CAN EXERCISE OUR RUBBER STAMP. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOBODY'S IN THE AUDIENCE TO TELL US WE'RE DOING. SO. IN. I NEED TO HEAR A MOTION. DO WE WANT TO RECOMMEND APPROVE ALL TEXT AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. CONDITIONS WHICH ARE. PRICE OF THE SIGNAGE. YOURS. ADDING YOURS. BUT THAT'S A MOTION. THAT'S A SEPARATE MOTION. SO YOU HAD SEVERAL CHANGES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP. WELL, THEY'RE TELLING ME IT'S YOU KNOW. AUSTIN JAY, DID YOU KEEP A DID YOU MAKE A LIST OF WHAT HE WANTED TO. YEAH. OKAY. 
          OKAY. SO CAN YOU REFRESH CAN YOU REFRESH MY MIND? YOU. YOU WANTED TO LOOK INTO THE PRICE OF THE SIGNS. YOU ALSO WANTED TO US TO RECOMMEND US LOOKING INTO THE ADDING YOU TO THE INFORMAL REVIEW. BACK TO THE INFORMAL REVIEW BOARD. RE RE YEAH, NEEDS TO REDO THAT. NOW. 
          WOULD THAT BE PART OF THIS OR JUST PART OF A SEPARATE DEAL? THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE ORDINANCE. IT WOULD GO BASICALLY WHERE THIS WOULD HAVE IT WOULD GO IS TO THE UNDER NUMBER ONE SECTION, A INFORMAL REVIEW. I WOULD WRITE IT INTO THERE. OKAY. AND I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS RUBBER STAMPING ANOTHER DAY. SO YOU'VE MADE THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THIS WITH THOSE TWO THE SIGN AND GET ME BACK ON THE THE CHAIRMAN BACK ON THE REVIEW COMMITTEE. SO MOVED SECOND, MOVED SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND. DAMN, IT'S A TIE. I CAN'T VOTE AGAINST YOU. YES, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. ALL IN FAVOR OF MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION'S MADE AND SECONDED. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIED OUT A PUBLIC HEARING. MAKE A MOTION TO TERMINATE THE MEETING. SO MOVED, SO MOVED. SECONDED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.