[I. Call To Order] [00:00:08] THIS JULY 9TH MEETING. SO I'M GOING TO CALL IT TO ORDER. WELCOME TO THE JULY 9TH, 10:00 BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ANNOUNCEMENTS. THE FIRST [II. Announcements] ANNOUNCEMENT WE GOT IS THE THAT THE NEXT BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 13TH NEXT MONTH. THE REZONINGS THAT WERE APPROVED AT THE PREVIOUS BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WERE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS AT THEIR PREVIOUS MEETING. THAT'S ALL THE ANNOUNCEMENTS. OKAY. THEN. NEED [III. Approve the Final Agenda] TO APPROVE THE FINAL AGENDA. MAKE A MOTION. SOMEBODY SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. AGENDA HAS BEEN APPROVED. EVERYBODY READ THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING [IV.1. Board of Zoning Appeals & Planning Commission - Regular Meeting - Jun 11, 2026 10:00 AM] I'M ASSURED OF. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. MINUTES ARE PASSED. OKAY. WE NEED TO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING IF SOMEBODY WILL [V.A.1. Rezoning - 78 Thompson Rd - Kelly (APN 0893 000027) 1st Reading - Vote Eligible] MAKE A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR. WE ARE NOW IN PUBLIC HEARING. SO WHOEVER'S CALLING THE FIRST ONE. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU IS A REZONING REQUEST AT 78 THOMPSON ROAD. IT IS THE FIRST READING. IT IS VOTE ELIGIBLE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REZONING OF A. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OKAY. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE REZONING OF A FOUR ACRE PORTION OF A 22.81 ACRE PARCEL FROM LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL TO LIMITED COMMERCIAL. ARE WE DOING THIS IN TWO DIFFERENT LOTS, OR IS THIS JUST ONE APPLICATION? IT'S JUST ONE APPLICATION. YOU SAID THE FOUR ACRE OR THE 21 ACRE? NO. THE FOUR ACRE PORTION IS BEING REZONED OUT OF THE 22, LIKE THE 21 ACRE PORTION. IF YOU LOOK ON THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THE CUTOUT OF THE THE FOUR ACRES. AND THAT'S IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, IT'LL SHOW JUST THE FULL 20, 21 OR 22 ACRE FROM THE KEY PUBLIC MAP. OKAY, SO THEY JUST WANT TO REZONE FOUR ACRES OUT OF THEIR 22 ACRE ACRE PORTION. YES. FROM RESIDENTIAL TO. I SEE TWO THINGS HERE. ONE IS LIMITED COMMERCIAL REQUESTED, AND ONE REQUESTED IS COMMERCIAL. SO WHICH ARE THEY REQUESTING? IT IS COMMERCIAL IS A COMMERCIAL USE IN A LIMITED COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. SO IT'S GOING FROM LR. THE REQUEST IS FROM LR TO LC. IT'S COMMERCIAL USE AND LIMITED COMMERCIAL. OKAY. SO IT'S A LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY LIMITED COMMERCIAL REZONING. OKAY. SO WHY THE COMMERCIAL IS OF THE USE. WE HAVE TO PUT THE USE AND THEN WE HAVE TO PUT THE ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S A REZONING REQUEST. THE ACREAGE IS 22 ACRES, 22.81 ACRES. OH, OKAY. YOU'VE CONFUSED ME THEN. YEAH. THE REZONING REQUEST IS FOR FOUR ACRES. THE REZONING REQUEST IS FOR FOUR ACRES OF THE 21 ACRES. SO THE TOTAL LOT IS 21. AND THEN SHE WOULD LIKE TO REZONE FOUR ACRES TO THE LIMITED COMMERCIAL. OKAY, THAT'S ALL WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. FOUR ACRES. THE CURRENT USE IS RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPOSED USE IS COMMERCIAL. THE CHARACTER AREA IS LAKESIDE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NOTICE. THE NOTICE WAS PUT IN THE PAPER AND THE SIGN WAS POSTED. THE STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT. THE. THE REQUEST IS. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE REZONING OF A FOUR ACRE PORTION OF A 22.81 ACRE PARCEL FROM LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL TO LIMITED COMMERCIAL. THE PARCEL IS CURRENTLY ZONED LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL. THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY A BUSINESS OPERATING THIS LOCATION UP TO THE YEAR 2012. THE PARCEL PRIOR TO AUGUST 1ST, 2025 HAD A SPLIT ZONING DISTRICT ASSIGNED BACK BEFORE THE THE UDO. AUGUST 1ST, IT WAS SPLIT ZONED BETWEEN LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL SO THAT. THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY CONSISTS OF MEDIUM AND LARGE LOT SIZES WITH DIFFERENT USES AND IT DOES MEET THE APPLICATION REVIEW STANDARDS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE STAFF REPORT AND. IF THE REZONING [00:05:06] RECOMMENDATION IS. IF THE REZONING APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. APPLICANT MUST OBTAIN ALL REQUIRED PERMITS AND SITE PLANS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ALSO ONE CONDITION THAT THEY SUBMIT THE PLAT FOR APPROVAL FROM THE STAFF. YES. YEAH. IS THIS HOUSE ON THAT OR IS THAT THE NEXT ONE? THE HOUSE IS ON THE PARCEL. NOT NOT THE PARCEL BEING REQUESTED TO BE REZONED. OKAY. IS THIS WHERE JONES COUNTRY STORE WAS? NO, NO, THIS IS WHERE IT WAS A BOAT STORAGE AT ONE POINT ON THE TWO ACRE LOT THAT WAS REZONED WAY BACK WHEN. YEAH. LIKE HOW LONG AGO? 2012. THE 2012 WAS THE LAST TIME THEY HAD A BUSINESS LICENSE FOR IT. AND THAT WAS IN A IT WAS SPLIT ZONE. ONE WAS LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL. THE WHERE THE HOUSES WAS LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL. AND THE ACREAGE THAT THEY HAD FOR THE BOAT STORAGE WAS GENERAL COMMERCIAL. SO IT WAS NEVER SPLIT OFF. AND NOW SHE WOULD LIKE TO RESTART THE BUSINESS, BUT SHE HAS TO MAKE IT COMMERCIAL FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO RESTART THAT BUSINESS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN THAT AREA? RIGHT NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS THE PUB? WHITETAIL PUB? I DON'T SEE IT ON THE OVERHEAD PICTURE. SO WHERE WAS THIS POSTED? THE THE SIGNAGE. THE SIGNAGE WAS POSTED AT AT THE PARCEL AND THEN THERE WAS ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHAT ABOUT ON ROANOKE ROAD? WAS THERE ANYTHING. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC NOTICE POSTED ON ROANOKE TO SHOULD HAVE BEEN. OR DO YOU THINK THERE WAS JAKE, CAN YOU VERIFY? THERE WASN'T ONE POSTED ON ROANOKE ROAD? NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT. IT IS NOT ON ROANOKE ROAD ITSELF. SO THE LARGE SIGN HAS TO GO IN FRONT OF THE PARCEL. WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PUT ANOTHER SIGN ON BECAUSE IT'S NOT A WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? CATERCORNER. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT A CORNER LOT. DIDN'T WE GO THROUGH THIS WITH THE CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE WE GOT LAST YEAR ON HOME OCCUPATION? THAT WAS FOR THE SUBDIVISIONS AND IT'S NOT A DEAD END. I MEAN, THOMPSON IS NOT A VISIBILITY. I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE TRAVEL UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. YEAH. BUT I MEAN YEAH, YOU'RE REQUESTING IT. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THE SUBDIVISION HAD TWO ENTRANCES. YES. RIGHT. THAT YOU GET BOTH ENTRANCES OR IF IT WAS A DEAD END ROAD, YOU WOULD JUST PUT IT AT THE END OF THE DEAD END ROAD WHERE NO ONE SAW IT. RIGHT. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'D HAVE A DIRECTIONAL SIGN. IN THIS CASE, IT'S LIKE SOMEONE COMING DOWN ROANOKE ROAD IS NOT AFFECTED BY THIS PROPERTY. SO HOW FAR AWAY IS THE LAKE? WHY WAS THIS ZONE? LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL? IT WAS ALWAYS OWNED LAKESIDE. I KNOW, BUT HOW FAR AWAY IS THE LAKE? IS THIS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL WENT WAY OUT AND GRABBED MILES AWAY? OR IS THERE A LAKE REAL CLOSE? THE LAKE IS. BUT WHAT ABOUT 1 OR 2 PROPERTIES ACROSS THE ROAD? IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL. OKAY, I SEE THE CAMPGROUND THERE NOW ACROSS ON THAT. SO IT'S NOT ON THE LAKESIDE. YEAH. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, LIKE SOMEONE SAID, IT'S RIGHT BEHIND ADJACENT TO THE WHITE HILL PUB. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DID YOU RECEIVE ANY CALLS? NOT ON THIS ONE, NO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY BOARD MEMBERS? IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THIS? IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS? SEEING NONE, HEARING NONE. HOW WOULD THE BOARD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVAL AS OUTLINED BY THE STAFF. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THEY FOLLOW THE PLAN, PRESENT THE PLAT. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT. NEXT. MISS. MISS KELLY, YOU DON'T NEED TO STAY UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO [00:10:09] SEE. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT. YOU SIT AND. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE [V.B.1. Variance - 52 Wolf Creek Cv - Bentley (APN 0830 000044) 1st Reading - Vote Eligible] NEXT APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU IS A VARIANCE AT 52 WOLF CREEK COVE. AND THIS IS THE FIRST READING AND IT IS VOTE ELIGIBLE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM SIDE YARD SETBACKS IN A LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL ZONED PARCEL FOR A PRIMARY STRUCTURE FOR A HOUSE. SITE PLANS THERE. AND AGAIN, THE REQUEST IS FOR A VARIANCE FROM THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. SIDE PROPERTY LINES. THE ACREAGE IS 1.08 ACRES. THE ZONING DISTRICT IS LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL AND THE CHARACTER IS LAKESIDE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NOTICE WAS PUT IN THE PAPER AND THE SIGN WAS POSTED. TWO SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THIS ONE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND AT THE LOT. SO. WE DID RECEIVE ONE CALL. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A VARIANCE FROM THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. WHAT WAS THE CALL? THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE TIMES OF THE MEETING BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO THEY WISHED TO COME SPEAK. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A VARIANCE FROM THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR A PRIMARY STRUCTURE LOCATED IN A LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WILL EXTEND TOWARD BOTH SIDE PROPERTY LINES. ACCORDING TO THE SITE PLAN PROVIDED THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WILL BE 16FT, 16.01FT, 16.03FT AND 16.05FT FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINES. THE REQUIRED SIDE SETBACK IS 20FT, SO IF YOU CAN. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT'S FROM FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINES AND THE REQUIRED BUILDING SETBACK LINE. STANDARDS FOR GRANTING A VARIANCE ARE BELOW AND THE COMMENTS. IF THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS APPROVED, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE MUST BE CONSTRUCTED IN PLACE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED. ANY SIGNIFICANT DEVIATION FROM THE APPROVED SITE PLAN MUST BE SUBMITTED TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR REVIEW. ALL PERMITS MUST ALSO BE ACQUIRED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. OKAY. SO BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR FEET ON EACH SIDE. YES. IS WHAT THEY'RE THEY WANT THE VARIANCE BASICALLY FOUR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS. IS THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE APPLICANT OR IS IT. AND AND ARE YOU THE OWNER? WOULD YOU COME ON. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS REQUEST, IT'S UP TO YOU. IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. OKAY. AND YOU'RE THE OWNER. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES, PLEASE COME UP. YEAH. COME UP. IT SEEMS LIKE SOMEBODY'S GOT QUESTIONS. SO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHERE YOU LIVE. NAME IS MARY BENTLEY AND I CURRENTLY RESIDE IN DELRAY BEACH, FLORIDA, AND I OUTRIGHT OWN THE PROPERTY THERE ON 52 WOLF CREEK COVE AND HOPE TO BUILD THIS HOUSE. HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THE PROPERTY? ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE HOUSE IS TOO BIG FOR THE LOT OR THE LOT? TOO SMALL FOR THE HOUSE? WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? NEITHER. I'D SAY THE HOUSE IS PERFECT FOR THE LOT. HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THAT HOUSE? JUST ROUGHLY. JUST CURIOUS IF YOU'RE NOT COUNTING THE PORCHES. 1679 UPSTAIRS, 16 OR RIGHT AT 17 IN THE BASEMENT, 3300 ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY. IS THIS A STOCK HOUSE PLAN THAT YOU PICKED, OR DID YOU HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL. NO, I HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL PLANS. CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THE ARCHITECT DIDN'T LIVE WITHIN THE SIDELINE SETBACK? I'VE HAD THE PLANS YEARS BEFORE TAKING OUT THE LOT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I SEE WE GOT A LETTER HERE. IS MR. WRIGHT IN ATTENDANCE, OR IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS VARIANCE? PLEASE COME FORWARD. WHOEVER. I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL. SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE. NOT A PROFESSIONAL. BUT MY SON OWNS [00:15:16] THE HOUSE. WHAT'S YOUR NAME? SHARON. OKAY, OKAY. MY SON OWNS THE LOT NEXT DOOR ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOME. MY HUSBAND AND I ORIGINALLY PURCHASED THE LOT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPOSED HOUSE, AND IT IS A NARROW LOT, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEN WE OPTED TO BUILD AROUND THE CORNER. WE LATER SOLD THIS LOT TO MY SON AND HE BUILT HIS OR HIS ALMOST DONE WITH HIS HOUSE NEXT DOOR. HE LOST A FOOT ON THE SIDE OF HIS HOUSE BECAUSE HE LIVED WITHIN THE COVENANTS, AND SO IT CHOPPED A FOOT OR WHATEVER THEY ARE GUIDELINES, WHATEVER THE WHATEVER THE THING IS, THE BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE COVENANT, WHICH WE DON'T ENFORCE, OKAY, IN A ZONING, WHICH WE DO. OKAY. LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL. ALL I'M SAYING IS THEY CHOPPED A FOOT OFF THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY, THEY LOST A FOOT IN THEIR MASTER BEDROOM AND THEIR DAUGHTER'S BEDROOM UPSTAIRS LIVE WITHIN THE THE SIDEWALK TO LIVE WITHIN WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. WE BUILT OUR HOUSE. WE ALSO LOST SOME SPACE TO LIVE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. HE'S NOT HERE BECAUSE HE'S WORKING TODAY, AND HIS CONCERN IS THAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY TOLD THEY WERE ASKING FOR TWO FEET. THEN SOMEONE SAID THREE FEET. AND THEN WE GET HERE AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR FOUR FEET ON EACH SIDE. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ACTUALLY BUILT WITH THE INTENTION THAT IT WOULD BE A WOODED RETREAT. LAKESIDE COMMUNITY WITH NOT HOUSES STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. YOU COULD SEE THE WOODS, YOU COULD SEE THE LAKE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THAT HOUSE IS GOING TO BE ON THEIR PLAN. IS IT GOING TO BE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MICHAEL'S HOUSE? IS IT GOING TO BE FARTHER BACK ON THE LOT? BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE DEEP, THERE'S A HILL IN THE BACK AND IT COULD BE SET BACK FARTHER, BUT HE DOESN'T WANT A HUGE HOUSE SET EVEN CLOSER TO HIS LOT. SO HE'S GOING TO BE LOOKING OUT HIS BEDROOM WINDOW AND HIS DAUGHTER'S BEDROOM WINDOW AT A BIG HOUSE THAT'S EVEN CLOSER. AND I'M SURE THERE WON'T BE ANY TREES LEFT ON THAT SIDE, BECAUSE SHE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE REALLY MUCH ROOM. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE ON THE LOT, BECAUSE THEY ARE DEEP AND IT COULD BE FARTHER BACK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, HOW FAR BACK SHE'S GOING TO PUT IT FROM THE ROAD. THERE'S A ROAD SETBACK REQUIREMENT AS WELL. LOOKS LIKE IT'S 90FT BACK FROM THE THE ROAD. AND I THOUGHT THE REQUIREMENT WAS 100FT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. THE PORCH IS 76FT BACK. NOW WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT? WE WERE TOLD IT WAS 100FT WHEN WE BUILT OUR HOUSE. IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE PLAT THAT I HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROAD, THE. THE FRONT PORCH IS 101FT. YEAH. OKAY. I WAS LOOKING AT RIGHT AWAY. OKAY. AND YES, WHEN THIS SUBDIVISION WAS DESIGNED YEARS AGO, THERE WERE A LOT OF DIFFERENCES. OH YEAH. IN SET RIGHT IN THAT ROOM NEXT DOOR AND TOLD THEM THEY WERE GOING BANKRUPT AND THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE ME. AND THEY DID. AND SINCE THEN, IT'S ALL BEEN THROWN AWAY BECAUSE THE BUILDERS DON'T WANT TO BUILD THAT WAY. AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE OTHERS OF US WHO HAD TO CHANGE OUR HOUSE PLANS AND LOST SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE OF IT, AND HAD TO SEND OUR PLANS BACK TO THE ARCHITECT. AND WE'RE CONCERNED THAT IF THIS VARIANCE IS APPROVED, THEN AS PEOPLE BUILD MORE AND MORE, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT MORE VARIANCES AND IT'S GOING TO TURN INTO A SUBDIVISION WHERE ALL THE HOUSES ARE, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. THANK YOU. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. YEAH. THAT'S ALL THAT'S APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'M JUST MORAL SUPPORT. I WAS THE SECOND PEOPLE TO MOVE IN 13 YEARS AGO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DON ALLENSWORTH. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE BEEN THERE THREE YEARS. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A VARIANCE IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE RELIEF FROM A UNIQUE OR TRUE HARDSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, RATHER THAN A PREFERENCE OF THE SIZE OF STRUCTURE FOR THE PROPERTY. I AM NOT HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANY HOMEOWNERS. I HAVE HAD FOUR DIFFERENT PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME AND ASK ME ABOUT IT. BECAUSE OF WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING, I'M INVOLVED IN SOME DEVELOPMENT IN THOSE THINGS, AND SO I KNOW AT LEAST THREE FAMILIES RECENTLY HAVE HAD TO CHANGE THEIR THEIR PLANS IN ORDER TO FIT WITHIN THE LOTS. WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY, WE WERE ALL GIVEN A PLOT. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON THAT THAT WE HAVE THE SETBACKS IS TO ESTABLISH [00:20:08] PROTECTION, DRAINAGE, A VARIETY OF THINGS, AND OVERALL MAPPING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD WORK TOWARD MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE DESIGNED STRUCTURES THAT FIT WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES AND PROPERTY LINES, RATHER THAN LOOKING TOWARD CREATING EXCEPTIONS THAT WOULD COMPLETELY CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I REALIZE THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS GONE BANKRUPT IN THE PAST. THAT DOES NOT IMPACT US IN THE PRESENT. WHAT IMPACTS US IN THE PRESENT IS WHAT HAPPENS FROM HERE MOVING FORWARD. AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER MAINTAINING THE EASEMENT SETBACK FOR THE SAKE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DON. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, SEEING NONE. ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD? NONE. OKAY. SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE DENY. SECOND. WAS THAT A SECOND OVER THERE? SECOND, SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO DENY AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICANT? RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. THE VARIANCE IS DENIED. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDRAW YOUR PLANS, MA'AM. NEXT. LIKE I TOLD Y'ALL, Y'ALL DON'T NEED TO STAY HERE UNLESS YOU JUST WOULD LIKE TO. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR [V.C.1. Preliminary Plat Review - Laurel Grove Subdivision - Briley Rd (APN 0300 000087) For Review and Comments] SUBDIVISION CALLED LAUREL GROVE TO BE LOCATED OFF OF BRILEY ROAD. THE. THE OWNER IS SEAN WEISS. HIS DEVELOPER IS DAVID SLOCUM. ARE THEY HERE TODAY? BRIAN IS HERE. BRIAN STONE IS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE. WHO'S HE? WHO'S HE REPRESENTING? HE IS REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER. AND THE OWNER. THE OWNER'S NOT HERE. NO, SEAN IS NOT HERE. I DON'T LIKE THAT. OKAY. THE CURRENT ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL. RESIDENTIAL. THE TOTAL ACREAGE IS 80 PLUS OR MINUS. TOTAL PROPOSED PHASE IS ONE. TOTAL LOTS 31. THERE WILL BE ONE DRIVEWAY LOCATED OFF OF BRILEY ROAD AND THE OTHER 30 WILL BE OFF. TWO NEW ROADS THAT WILL BE PLACED INTERNALLY. THE LOTS RANGE FROM 2.002 ACRES TO 5.141 ACRE. ALL PARCELS WILL BE SERVED BY WELL AND SEPTIC. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. I I'M CONFUSED ABOUT SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS. AREN'T ALL OUR SUBDIVISIONS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SIDEWALKS? AND WITHOUT THAT THEY HAVE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE THAT IS NOT IN OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. IT ISN'T. DID IT USED TO BE? NO. THAT WAS FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. YEAH. COMMERCIAL. OKAY. YEAH. ON THING AND OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL LIKE I SAID, I GET CAN I. I COULD HAVE SWORN WE HAD ISSUES ABOUT IT YEARS AGO. AND ON OF NOTE, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION THAT ALREADY IS ESTABLISHED RIGHT NEXT TO THIS LOT, LINDSAY ESTATES. THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOT GOT SOME QUESTIONS. OKAY. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO ASK IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS. I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. OR CONCERNS. ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THE WATER AND SEWAGE. IN THAT AREA. LIKE YOU SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE SUBDIVISION IN THE AREA. I'M JUST CONCERNED BECAUSE I'M ON SEWAGE AND WATER AND I KNOW HOW THAT CAN GET AFFECTED. SOMETIMES. SEPTIC. SEPTIC AND WATER DON'T GO TOGETHER. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENTRANCE ON BRILEY ROAD, BECAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE HILL THAT JUST IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WHEN I DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD AND I GET CLOSE TO WHERE THIS ENTRANCE WILL BE, THAT THERE'S [00:25:04] A LITTLE BIT OF SITE DISTANCE PROBLEM THERE. CAN I ANSWER THAT QUESTION REAL QUICK? YOU HAVE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IN A DECEL LANE TO HELP WITH ALL OF THAT. OKAY. NOT ON THE PLAN. IT IS OKAY. IT IS KIND OF SMALL, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A DECEL LANE ON THERE. THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD, I UNDERSTAND, HAS GOTTEN A LOT WORSE FROM WHAT I CAN SEE TOO. AND THERE IS A CREEK THAT RUNS ALONG THE EDGE OF THIS PROPERTY AND GOES UNDER THE ROAD TO THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE ROAD. OKAY, THEY ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN A 75 FOOT BUFFER, SO THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE GOING ANY FURTHER CLOSER TO THE LAKE. I MEAN THE CREEK. SO THERE'LL BE 70FT FROM THE CREEK. I MEAN 75. OKAY. WELL, LIKE I SAY, MY, MY MAIN, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE COUNTRY SHOULD BE THE COUNTRY IS, IS THE WATER IN THE SEPTIC TANKS. I MEAN, YOU, YOU'RE DOUBLING MAYBE MORE THAN DOUBLING WHAT'S ALREADY BEING USED RIGHT THERE IN THE SAME AREA. SO THAT'S MY CONCERNS. DO WE NOT HAVE AN OVERLAY PICTURE ON THE ON THE SATELLITE PICTURE? OH WE DO. THE PLOT OVERLAY ON THE SATELLITE PICTURE. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE PUBLIC MAP. NO I CAN'T. IF WE DON'T HAVE A SITE OVERLAY PLAN SITE OVERLAY OVER THAT, WE DON'T GO TO PAGE ONE. SITE PLAN. THAT IS NOT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS. NO, NO, I'M JUST CURIOUS. ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE IT. THAT'S THE THAT'S JUST A SMALL INLAY. I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THOSE LOTS ON THE RIGHT GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, OR IF THERE'S THAT. CREEK THERE. YEAH. IF YOU'LL SEE THE CREEK RIGHT ALONG, CAN YOU PULL IT BACK UP? IF YOU LOOK ON THERE, YOU'LL SEE THE CREEK GOING RIGHT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. NO, IT'S NOT RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S MY QUESTION. AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT IN THERE. AND ALL THOSE, THE DOTTED THE DASHED LINES GOING ALONG IS YOUR 75 FOOT BUFFER. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SEE. THE STREAM BED BUFFER. ALL RIGHT. NOW, IS THAT ONE OF THOSE THAT THEY CAN'T GO IN THERE AND CUT IT DOWN. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN THERE AT ALL. THAT'S THE DEVELOPER PORTION. WE CANNOT TELL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE HOMEOWNER AT A LATER DATE. OKAY? IT'S NOT PROTECTED. IT IS PROTECTED ACCORDING TO THIS FROM THE HOMEOWNER. IT SHOULD BE FROM THE HOMEOWNER. OKAY. IF THEY REQUIRE ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN THERE, THEY'RE USUALLY REQUIRED TO DO A VARIANCE AND COME BACK BEFORE YOU. OKAY. ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE A DSL LINE? LANE. I KNOW ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE, THERE'LL BE A DSL LINE. LANE. YOU SAID YES, THERE'LL BE WILL THERE BE ONE COMING FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION THAT THEY CAN LIKE A CENTER. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. IT'S NOT. AND IT WAS AN ENGINEERING IS HERE. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR ON THE SIDE OF THE WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE DSL. OKAY, I SEE IT NOW. THE PROPOSED TURN LANE, RIGHT. MR. STONE? YEAH. I'M GETTING THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ALL OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED FIRST. ALL RIGHT. MR. STONE, WOULD YOU COME, PLEASE? SO HOW CAN THEY REPRESENT SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT DOCUMENTED ON HERE? I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S A BRIAN STONE BK STONE HOLMES. API DON'T KNOW. WELL YOU'RE NOT APPLICANT. YOUR NAME ISN'T HERE ANYWHERE. NO SIGNAGE ANYTHING. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS A CLERICAL ERROR. MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN APPLICATION ERROR. I'M NOT SURE. I DIDN'T PERSONALLY FILL OUT THE APPLICATION. THEY CAN SEND A REPRESENTATIVE. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE LISTED ON THE APPLICATION. WE'RE UNDER [00:30:04] CONTRACT TO BUY THE PROPERTY FROM THE OWNER. SO. AND WE'RE ACTING ON HIS BEHALF TO GET THE PLAT APPROVED AS A CONDITION TO CLOSE IT. WELL, WHO WAS THE OWNER IS SEAN WALTON. THAT'S CORRECT. AND DAVID SLOCUM, IS HE. HE'S A CIVIL ENGINEER. OKAY. SO THEY THEY FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION AND MAYBE THAT GOT MISCONSTRUED AS DEVELOPER, BUT BK STONE HOLMES WILL BE THE DEVELOPER OF THE PARCEL. YEAH. THAT IS A MISTAKE ON THE APPLICATION. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S NO BUT I'M NOT SURE. DOES THE APPLICATION SAY THAT. I MEAN DOES IT SAY YES THIS IS A DEVELOPER. IS DAVID SLOCUM OKAY. OKAY. WELL THAT'S A MISTAKE. YOUR NAME IS NOT ANYWHERE. OKAY. DOES HE WORK FOR YOU? HE'S OUR CIVIL ENGINEER. OKAY. SO IF SALT HAS BEEN COMPLETED, WE'VE DONE PRELIMINARY. WE'VE DONE WETLAND AND STREAM, OBVIOUSLY TO THAT'S THE FIRST CHECK BOX. AND WE'VE DONE PRELIMINARY HOLE POKING OUT THERE TO VERIFY. WE'VE LOOKED AT THE USDA MAPS, BUT WE HAVE NOT. WE DON'T DO THE FINAL UNTIL WE GET PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS $24,000 TO SOIL TEST THIS PLACE. SO IT'S YOU JUST CAN'T SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY UNTIL YOU GET THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL. BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HAVE PRIOR TO FINAL PLAT. AND BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY AND SOIL CONDITIONS, YOU BELIEVE THAT A PRIMARY AND SECONDARY FILL WILL BE ACHIEVABLE. I MEAN, IT'S I MEAN, WE MEET ALL THE MINIMUMS OF THE REGULATIONS. I MEAN, WE HAVE TWO ACRE LOTS. THE SOILS IN THE AREA. I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL SEASONAL IMPACT ON THE USDA MAPS, WHICH ARE GOOD SOILS FOR AROUND HERE. I'VE BUILT NUMEROUS HOUSES IN THE AREA THAT THIS IS JUST GENERALLY NOT AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEPTIC PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THAT. SO I'M, I'M VERY CONFIDENT ALL WILL BE FINE, BUT WE'RE STILL LEGALLY REQUIRED TO VERIFY WITH SOIL TEST. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I CAN SPEAK TO A COUPLE OTHER. I JUST I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE PLAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REAL REASON FOR ME TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS THERE, BUT THE I HEARD, WELL, PROBLEMS IN THE AREA, THE WELL PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT DOOR. I'M ACTUALLY PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS BECAUSE WE'VE BUILT NUMEROUS HOUSES AROUND THERE AND WE HAVE NOT HAD, WELL, PROBLEMS, BUT THE THE REASONS FOR THE WELL PROBLEMS IN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, THERE'S A LOT OF IRON IN THE WATER. SO IT WASN'T REALLY A PROBLEM WITH GETTING WATER. IT WAS A PROBLEM WITH IRON IN THE WATER. AND YOU DO HAVE THAT IN THAT AREA. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO HAVE ABUNDANT IRON, YOU HAVE TO FILTER IT AND ALL THAT. SO AND THEY ALSO USE AN OUT OF TOWN WELL DRILLER FOR THE FIRST THREE QUARTERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK THEY IN TOWN WELL DRILLER WENT OVER AND FIXED THE PROBLEMS. AND WE DO USE THE WELL DRILLER THAT FIXED THE PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE ALL THAT WAS HAPPENING. SO I KNOW THAT ON YOUNG'S MILL ROAD THEY'RE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE WATER. THAT'S NOT US. SO I THINK I'M PRETTY SURE THE SAME DEVELOPER THAT'S DOING YOUNG'S MILL IS USING THE SAME, WELL, DRILLER. HE GENERALLY. I MEAN, I KNOW AT LEAST HE USED TO USE THE SAME DRILLER THAT DRILLED THE WELLS ON THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO THIS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE USE LOCAL COMPANIES TO DRILL THE WELLS FOR US AND WE NOT SAYING WE WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT I MEAN, IT'S A SIMPLE FIX. YOU HAVE TO DO AN IRON FILTRATION SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, GENERALLY THERE'S NOT GENERALLY A PROBLEM WITH ABUNDANCY OF WATER IN THIS AREA BASED OFF MY KNOWLEDGE. BUT WE HAVE VERIFIED SITE DISTANCE AS WELL TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, PUT THE INTERSECTION THERE. SO WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DRIVEWAY SEPARATION, I BELIEVE, AND SITE DISTANCE. WE DID AGREE TO DO A DSL LINE AS OPPOSED TO A TRAFFIC STUDY WITH JAMES EMERY. I MEAN, WE ALL AGREE THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD THAT WOULD EVER WORN A LEFT HAND TURN IN. IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T WARRANT A DSL LANE. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND AS MUCH MONEY ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO SAY YOU DON'T NEED A DSL LANE. THE COUNTY IS GOING TO REQUIRE DSL LANE ANYWAY, SO WE JUST SAID WE'LL JUST PUT IT IN THE DSL LANE. SO WE WE KIND OF WE WENT TO THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD EVER WARRANT WITH WITH THE DSL LANE, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE GATE AS FAR AS THE STREAM BUFFERS, I MEAN, THOSE ARE ON THE PLAT. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THIS DOCUMENTED. I MEAN, IT'S ON THE PLAT THAT THE THE CUSTOMERS WOULD ULTIMATELY PURCHASE THE HOMES AT THE END OF THE DAY ANYWAYS. I MEAN, IF I'M SURE THERE'S SOME LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS IF THEY, YOU KNOW, DISTURB THOSE STREAM BUFFER AREAS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS US IN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, I MEAN, WE ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT GOING TO DISTURB THEM. THE WELLS, WHAT TYPE WHEELS BORED ARE DRILLED. OH DEFINITELY DRILLED. YEAH. DOES ANYBODY EVEN DO BORED WELLS ANYMORE. NO. I STILL HAVE OCCASIONAL PEOPLE WILL TRY TO USE AN OLD ONE AND YEAH, USUALLY DOESN'T END WELL. NO IT DOESN'T END SEPTIC SYSTEMS. TYPICAL GRAVEL OR NO. I MEAN WE'LL USE EASY LAYER CHAMBER IN THE AREA. SO DEPENDING ON THE TOPOGRAPHY, YOU KNOW I LIKE CHAMBER BUT IT'S MORE BOXIER. AND THIS AREA DOES HAVE A LOT OF TOPO. SO YOU PROBABLY BE BETTER WITH EASILY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU CAN CONFORM TO THE MORE YOU KNOW AND GET EVERYTHING LEVEL. SO AS FAR AS SIDEWALKS, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHETHER WE ARE OR NOT. WE GENERALLY DO. SO I MEAN, I, WE REALLY WANT THIS TO BE A PRETTY NICE AND UPSCALE COMMUNITY DOING A REALLY NICE DECORATIVE ENTRANCE. WELL, THAT WAS MY ANOTHER QUESTION. WHAT'S THE. AVERAGE HOUSE SIZE AND PRICE GOING TO BE IN HERE? I MEAN, I WOULD THINK YOUR AVERAGE PRICE IS GOING TO BE 5 TO 600,000. OKAY, THAT WOULD BE MY GUESS. AND THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY, I MEAN, 450 WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. YOU CAN BUILD ON A, ON A TWO ACRE LOT. AND GIVEN THE LAND PRICES AND DEVELOPMENT [00:35:01] COSTS IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE REALLY PUSHED TO DO THAT. SO AND THEN LIKE I SAID, WE'LL HAVE SHOULD HAVE A REALLY NICE DECORATIVE ENTRANCE, HEAVY LANDSCAPING MONUMENT ON THE FRONT. WE WILL PROBABLY DO SIDEWALKS. WE GOT TO GET INTO THE LAYOUT AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE CAN AFFORD TO DO IT ON EVERY LOT BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE THING TO DO ON TWO ACRE LOTS. BUT WE. I WOULD LEND US I WOULD, I WOULD IF I WAS BETTING, I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY WOULD END UP DOING SIDEWALKS JUST AS GENERAL AMENITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN THE I THINK, OH YEAH. AND TO ONE, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S TALKED ABOUT THE CREEK. THE EAST LINE IS THE CREEK. AND WE HAVE HAD THAT DELINEATED AND ALL THAT. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY NOWHERE NEAR THAT CREEK AS IT GOES. WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICT IS THIS? ROSEMONT. ROSEMONT. OKAY. I THINK THE LAST THING I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO STRICT HOA IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, BUT WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF AG RESIDENTIAL ZONING. UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY REQUIREMENT THAT WE DON'T MEET. I THINK WE'RE 100% CHECKED OFF THAT WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE. WHAT'S THE SCALE OF THE NUMBER? GRADE NUMBER WAS 10 OR 11. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE NEED TO GET THE APPLICATIONS NAMED RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION. AND THAT'S WHAT WE GO WITH ANY. WELL, WE WOULD BE UNDER RIGHTS NOT TO HOLD THIS THING RIGHT NOW. THEY CAN SEND ANY REPRESENTATIVE THAT THEY NEED TO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE ON THE APPLICATION. WE DON'T KNOW THAT HE'S THAT THEY'VE ASKED HIM TO REPRESENT THEM. THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION THAT SAYS HE'S DESIGNATED AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE OTHER THAN HIS WORD. HE MAY NOT KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. RUTH. WELL, ONCE AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENT DOESN'T SAY WE NEED TO GET A NAME FOR THE PERSON THAT'S REPRESENTING THEM. WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT. I BELIEVE THAT COULD BE HANDLED VERY EASILY WITH A LETTER FROM BC STONE COMPANY DIRECTING IT, AND WITH A COPY FROM MR. SLOCOMBE, HAS ALLOWED REPRESENTATIVE POINT. YEAH, BUT USUALLY THERE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE NAMED. YES, YES. THAT'S ALL. UPCHURCH. ROB UPCHURCH WE HAD. YEAH. STEPHEN WARD REPRESENTING TRADEMARK QUALITY HOMES. WE'VE HAD BILL GATES JUST JUST BECAUSE IT'S DONE IN THE PAST DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD CONTINUE FORWARD. I MEAN, WE NEED SOME KIND OF DOCUMENTATION THAT STATES SOMEBODY HAS, ACCORDING TO THE ZONING LAWS, AND WE DO NEED TO STICK WITH THOSE ZONING LAWS THAT IT'S ON AND ATTEND. A PERSON CAN SEND A REPRESENTATIVE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO LET US KNOW WHO IT IS. THAT'S THE ZONING LAW. IT'S NOT ANYBODY OUT THERE CAN SAY THEY'RE REPRESENTING. AND WE HAVE THAT. WE WILL HAVE THAT NOTED IN THE MINUTES THAT THAT PERSON REPRESENTED THEM. OKAY. WE CAN ALWAYS ASK IN THE FUTURE. AND HE DIDN'T EVEN SIGN ON THE APPLICANT. DID IS THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T EVEN SIGN THE APPLICATION. THAT WAS AN ONLINE. SOMETIMES WE'LL HAVE THEM. WE'LL NEED TO CHECK THAT. THAT SHOULDN'T COME TO US WITHOUT AN UNSIGNED APPLICATION. THANK YOU. ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THIS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIMIT SOME TIME. SO COME UP AND. MY NAME IS DODIE WALKER. I LIVE AT 482 BRILEY ROAD. AS FAR AS THE SUBDIVISION IS CONCERNED, I AM TOTALLY AGAINST IT. I WENT TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT LIVES ON THAT ROAD LAST NIGHT UP UNTIL 930. IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A LIGHT, I DIDN'T GO IN, BUT EVERYBODY WAS SAYING THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS WE DON'T NEED THAT OUT THERE. THIS LAND WAS PURCHASED BY SHAWN. THAT'S TRUE. AND I MET HIM WHENEVER HE PURCHASED THIS LAND. HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE AND LEAVE THE REST OF THE LAND TO BE NATURE THAT WE LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY. WE DON'T NEED HOUSE AFTER HOUSE AFTER HOUSE, MORE SUBDIVISIONS COMING OUT IN OUR AREA TO BE ABLE TO TAKE OVER. WE ALREADY GOT THE ONE. LINDSAY IS UP AT THE FRONT. WE'VE GOT TWO OTHERS THAT'S BACK BEHIND RILEY ROAD COMING OFF SMOKEY. SO IT'S LIKE THE MORE HOUSES WE PUT OUT THERE, THE MORE OF NATURE THAT WE'RE TAKING AWAY. PLUS IT IS USING UP NOT ONLY THE WATER AS HE'S SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE, BUT IT IS TRUE. MY HOME IS AFFECTED BY THE WATER EVEN BEING USED BY LINDSAY'S SUBDIVISION, THE SEWAGE. IT'S LIKE I'M CONSTANTLY HAVING TO DO SOMETHING MORE TO THIS. AS FAR AS A FILTRATION SITUATION [00:40:05] ON WATER, THAT'S VERY, VERY COSTLY. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVING TO BE OUT OF A LOT OF MONEY JUST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HOMES PUT ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO BE NATURE. I DON'T, I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH THAT I DO NOT APPROVE THIS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A LANE TO BE ABLE TO GET ON BRADLEY ROAD. WE'VE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD ALREADY THAT THERE IS DANGER TO YOUNG KIDS. EVEN COMING OUT THERE AND DOING ANYTHING, PULLING OUT ON THE ROAD, YOU HAVE TO LOOK 4 OR 5 TIMES BEFORE YOU COME OUT BECAUSE OF THE HILLS THAT'S COMING OFF MY ROAD, MUCH LESS GOING TO THIS SUBDIVISION. IT WOULD BE A DANGER OF PEOPLE PULLING OUT, PEOPLE GOING IN. I DON'T KNOW OF MUCH MORE THAT I CAN SAY OTHER THAN IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. SEE SOME HANDS? HE'S ALREADY STANDING. YOU'RE. IT DOESN'T MATTER. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS MIKE LINDSAY. I LIVE AT 136 BRIDLE ROAD, AND I'M. EXCUSE ME, I'M SPEAKING AS A 63 YEAR RESIDENT OF BRADLEY ROAD. AND I'M NOT SPEAKING AGAINST THE SUBDIVISION, BUT I'M SPEAKING OF THE SAFETY. I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF LINDSAY ESTATES IN A CURVE. AND THE TRAFFIC NOW IS ALMOST INCREDIBLE FOR GETTING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY. I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN PUT IN A DECEL LANE. THAT DOESN'T STOP THE TRAFFIC FLOWING BACK TOWARDS ROSEMONT ROAD WHEN YOU'RE OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION. WE'VE ALREADY HAD A PROBLEM. IN OTHER WORDS, I'M FORTUNATE TO HAVE A SECOND DRIVE THAT'S ON A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT THEY CAN GO OUT THAT WAY. BUT IN THAT CURVE, IT'S LIKE NASCAR PEOPLE COMING UP AND DOWN OUR ROAD. I THINK WE NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY, NOT JUST A DECEL LANE, TO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN A SAFE ZONE THERE. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT, IT, IT'S CHANGED TREMENDOUSLY IN, IN MY 63 YEARS OF BEING THERE. BUT SO I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO SUBDIVISIONS, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS TO BE MET AND THEY CAN BE MET. BUT I THINK THERE'S THERE'S MORE HERE FROM A SAFETY ISSUE ON A COUNTY ROAD THAT'S BEEN THE SAME ROAD FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS THAT THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE, NO WIDTH, NO DEVELOPMENT, NO STUDY OF IT, JUST PUTTING IN A SATELLITE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ELAINE BLAIR. I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON STOVALL ROAD, AND SO I HAVE A GREAT INTEREST. THIS IS MY DAUGHTER AARON, AND SHE LIVES AT 571 STOVALL ROAD. SO I HAVE A GREAT INTEREST IN THIS AREA. I TRAVEL UP AND DOWN BRADLEY ROAD, GOING BETWEEN MY HOME AT 3739 WHITESVILLE ROAD, FREQUENTLY, AS DOES AARON. THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON BRADLEY ROAD AND THEY FLY. MY CONCERN ALSO IS THE. THE LANE THAT'S GOING TO SLOW YOU DOWN, TURN YOU IN. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE COMING THE OTHER WAY? WE'RE GOING TO GET REAR ENDED. OKAY. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE FLYING AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO YOU BEING STOPPED. SO THAT'S A CONCERN. MY CONCERN ALSO IS FOR ROSEMONT ELEMENTARY, WHICH I AM A PROUD GRADUATE, THAT IT'S ALREADY GETTING CROWDED. AND WE'VE GOT A BRAND NEW SCHOOL, ANOTHER SUBDIVISION IS NOT GOING TO BE GOOD AND ALL KINDS OF CIRCUMSTANCES. WHAT ABOUT THE BUSSES HAVING TO GO IN AND OUT? THAT THAT PLACE? MISS WALKER WAS CORRECT. THERE ARE A LOT OF HILLS ON THAT ROAD, AND IT'S NOT AN EASY PLACE TO GET IN AND OUT OF. MY THIRD CONCERN IS THE CREEK. I HAVE LIVED IN TWO SUBDIVISIONS, NOT IN TROUP COUNTY, BUT I HAVE LIVED IN TWO SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAD A CREEK RUNNING BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINES. BOTH OF THOSE [00:45:05] CREEKS WERE A HORRIFIC PROBLEM. THEY FLOODED. WE HAD TO HAVE LANDSCAPE DONE BECAUSE OF LOSS. ONE OF THEM. TOOK AWAY PROBABLY A FOURTH OF AN ACRE OF MY PROPERTY. IT WAS BEHIND MY SUBDIVISION AND I LOST PROPERTY BECAUSE IT FLOODED. THE SECOND CONCERN WITH THE CREEK IS THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TREES AND BOUNDARIES AND YOU CAN'T CUT A TREE. YOU TELL ME IN FIVE YEARS, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO CUT A TREE IN THEIR BACKYARD, THEY'RE GOING TO CUT IT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU. I'VE SEEN IT IN IN MY SUBDIVISION. I ACTUALLY DID SOME LANDSCAPING JUST ON A SMALL AREA IN MY FRONT YARD, IN ONE OF MY SUBDIVISIONS, AND I TOOK UP SHRUBBERY JUST RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I TOOK IT UP. I HAD IT REDONE. I HAPPENED TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE HOMEOWNER'S PRESIDENT. HE COME OUT AND HE SAID, ELAINE, DID YOU KNOW YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GO BEFORE THE HOA? BEFORE YOU DID THAT? I SAID, NO, HE SAID, IT'S OKAY. SO ANYWAY, IT IT IT WILL HAPPEN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SHE TOLD YOU WHO I AM? I'M AARON JONES, I LIVE AT 571 STOVALL ROAD. MY MAIN CONCERN IS CHILDREN. AND I'M SPEAKING BECAUSE WHEN WE MOVED TO 571 STOVALL ROAD, MY SON WAS GOING INTO THE NINTH GRADE AT TROUP HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS RIGHT OFF OF BRAWLEY. WE HAD TO SEND MY SON DOWN TO OUR BARN ENTRANCE TO BE ABLE FOR THE SCHOOL BUS TO STOP TO PICK HIM UP. BECAUSE OF THE HILLS AND THE BLIND SIDES, BLIND SIDES TO PICK HIM UP FROM THE SCHOOL BUS ON STOVALL ROAD, THAT IS. AND STOVALL ROAD HAS THOSE HILLS AND BRILEY IS JUST AS BAD. SO MY CONCERN IS WHEN YOU HAVE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT AND YOU HAVE HOMES, YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE CHILDREN. AND THAT THAT THING THAT'S A CONCERN. THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH SAFETY CONCERN WITH KIDS CROSSING OVER TO GET ON THE SCHOOL BUS. THAT WAS A MAJOR CONCERN OF MINE. LIKE LITERALLY WE HAD TO NOT USE OUR DRIVEWAY, BUT IN EXCESS. WITHOUT HAVING A DIFFERENT LANE COMING THE OTHER WAY. LIKE MOM SAID, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD WORK AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOING THIS WAY AND THAT WAY, ESPECIALLY WITH BUSSES GOING IN AND OUT, PICKING UP CHILDREN, THAT'S A CONCERN PEOPLE ARE USING. STOVALL. SMOKEY VALLEY COMING FROM GREENVILLE, THERE IS A TON OF TRAFFIC. I MEAN, I'M 52, BUT I HAVE BEEN AT THAT FARM SINCE I WAS BORN. AND I CAN TELL YOU THE TRAFFIC GOING DOWN. STOVALL BRAWLEY AND SMOKEY ROAD IS UNBELIEVABLE. AND I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE WHEN THEY BLOCKED IT OFF FOR MOVIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE ON THERE, AND THEY HAD TO GO ANOTHER ROUTE, YOU COULD TELL THERE IS A TON OF TRAFFIC COMING FROM GREENVILLE. IT IS THE STRAIGHT THOROUGHFARE TO GET TO 75. SO MY CONCERN IS TRAFFIC. MY CONCERN IS THE CHILDREN GETTING ON AND OFF THE BUSSES. AND MY CONCERN ALSO IS THAT WE ALL MOVE TO THE COUNTRY TO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY. WE WANT TO DO THAT. THERE'S FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, MINE INCLUDED, THAT WANT TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS, YOU KNOW, AND WE WERE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT JOHN BOUGHT THE PROPERTY TO BUILD A HOUSE. PEOPLE CHANGED THEIR MINDS, UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT TO PUT IN A SUBDIVISION LIKE THAT, I DO NOT THINK THAT THAT AREA IS READY ROAD WISE, TURNING LANES FOR THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. AND AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE MY CHILD WAS THERE AND THEY EVEN HAD TO PUT SIGNS UP SAYING, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL BUS, WHATEVER, BECAUSE HE MUST HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE ONLY ONES, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA FOR A SECOND. BUT RILEY ROAD, STOVALL ROAD, SMOKEY ROAD, VERY HILLY, NOT CONDUCIVE. SO I'M AGAINST IT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE [00:50:01] HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM ON RILEY ROAD? ONE SECOND. NO. NOT YET. WHAT? JAMES WAS LOOKING AT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC COUNT. YEAH. COME ON UP HERE. AND FOR THE RECORD, TELL US WHO YOU ARE. I'M ALI, I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE ROADS AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. SO JAMES, THE COUNTY ENGINEER, WAS LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF LOTS AND ASSUMING A NUMBER FOR TRAFFIC COUNT COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT SUBDIVISION. SO THAT WOULD NOT HAVE NECESSARILY WARRANTED ADDITIONAL LANES, TURN LANES. DECEL. BUT THE SITE DISTANCE MAY HAVE HAD AN IMPACT ON THAT WAS A DECENT ONE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON RILEY ROAD? DO YOU HAVE ANY HISTORY OF OF SPEEDING CITATIONS, ACCIDENTS? I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. Y'ALL DON'T TRACK THAT, DO YOU? WE CAN PULL THAT. BUT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT JAMES WAS HANDLING. SO I WASN'T AWARE OF ANY OF THAT. WELL, AT ONE POINT THEY DIDN'T TRACK IT BECAUSE I ASKED FOR SOME YEARS AGO AND THEY SAID, WE DON'T KEEP RECORDS OF WRECKS ON THE ROADS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS BOGUS, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES OR PROBLEMS? NO, JUST THAT THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF LOTS AND RESIDENTS FOR THIS PROPOSED SUBDIVISION, THAT IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO WARRANT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. OKAY. FROM A SAFETY POINT OF VIEW, THE NUMBER THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO FOR SIGHT DISTANCE, IT WAS PROPOSED THAT THEY PUT IN DECEL LANE. THAT TAKES CARE OF ONE DIRECTION BUT NOT THE OTHER DIRECTION. THAT'S MY ISSUE. IS THAT ALL? OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT I HAVE THE FLOODPLAIN MAP UP ON Q PUBLIC RIGHT NOW FOR YOU GUYS REVIEW. IF YOU GUYS LOOK THERE IS NO THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN ANY ANY TYPE OF FLOODPLAIN. THE CREEK DOESN'T HAVE ANY FLOODPLAIN ON IT. THE FLOODPLAIN IS CHECKED IS WHAT. FLOODPLAIN IS WHAT THE FLOODPLAIN AS FAR AS THE OVERLAY FOR THE FLOODPLAIN ON Q PUBLIC IS CHECKED. IT'S RIGHT HERE. MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT, BUT IT IS CHECKED AND THERE IS NO FLOODPLAIN SHOWING ON THIS PROPERTY, ON THIS PROPERTY OR THIS PARCEL. AND THAT'S PUT INTO PLACE BY FEMA. AND THEY DO THEIR FLOODPLAIN WHEN THEY DO THEIR FIRM EVERY TEN YEARS. THAT'S THIS YEAR. FLOODPLAIN. YEAH, IT WAS FLOODPLAIN. IT WOULD SHOW UP. IT SHOW UP. YEAH. UNDERSTAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY KEEP INCREASING FLOODPLAINS EVERY DAMN YEAR AND TAKING AWAY MY PROPERTY, USABLE PROPERTY. THAT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF FLOODPLAIN, RIGHT? LIKE, LIKE IN THE BLUE AS THIS IS SHOWN RIGHT HERE. YES. THIS PARCEL HAS NO FLOODPLAIN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, MR. STONE, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO REBUT WITH. YEAH. WE'RE I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC STUDY, I, MIKE SPOKE ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET A TRAFFIC STUDY AS IT CAN THAT WE CAN HANDLE DURING ENGINEERING. IT'S JUST WITH OUR TALKS WITH JAMES EARLY ON, IT'S THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS PROBABLY GOING TO SAY WE NEED TO REMOVE THE DECEL LANE. YOU KNOW, SO I, I THINK THAT IF WE GET IT NOT, I WOULD IMAGINE IF WE GOT A TRAFFIC STUDY, IT WOULD SAY NO. DECEL LANE. A TRAFFIC STUDY IS DIFFERENT THAN A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY. CORRECT. BUT I'M SAYING WHAT I'M SAYING FROM A, FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, YOU MAY NOT NEED TO THE THE D CELL LANE, BUT FROM A LINE OF SIGHT. IT MIGHT BE REQUIRED, IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT JAMES SAID. THEY HAVE TO ANALYZE THE INTERSECTION AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND SO WE COULD WE WOULD DO INTERSECTION ANALYSIS AND ALL THAT. I MEAN, BUT I, I JUST I KNOW BECAUSE IT MEANT WE HAD TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY ON THAT PROJECT AND IT SAID, NO LANE. BUT, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, BUT WE ENDED UP DOING ONE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF, IF IT WASN'T REQUIRED AT MOUNTVILLE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PROBABLY BE REQUIRED HERE. I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN WARRANTS PER THE GDOT MANUALS AND HANDBOOK TO, TO REGULATE TO, TO PUSH THESE REQUIREMENTS INTO PLACE. AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT TO JAMES AND WE SAID, IN LIEU OF A TRAFFIC STUDY, WE'LL JUST DO THE DECELL LANE AND THAT AND THAT I MEAN, BECAUSE IT A LEFT HAND TURN, I MEAN, THE TRIP GENERATION THAT THIS COMMUNITY WILL CREATE WILL [00:55:05] CREATE VERY FEW TRIPS FROM THE EAST. YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TRIPS THIS COMMUNITY IS GOING TO CREATE ARE GOING TO GO OUT AND GO WEST. SO WE'RE THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY LITTLE ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, AN EASTERN TRAFFIC IMPACT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DEAL FOR, FOR THIS COMMUNITY JUST GIVEN THE WHERE EVERYBODY WORKS AND GOES TO SCHOOL AND, AND ALL THAT. SO, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO OFFER THAT. AND I MEAN, ANOTHER THING WE DID TOO IS, I MEAN, WE, WE STUBBED THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE LEFT OF US DID NOT STUB TO FUTURE PARCELS. WE ARE STUBBING TO FUTURE PARCELS. AND OVER TIME, CONNECTIVITY TAKES PRESSURE OFF ARTERIALS. AND SO WE'RE THAT'S ONE THING WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID AS OPPOSED TO JUST STOPPING OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKING IT HOLISTIC AND ALL THAT TRAFFIC GOING TO BRAWLEY INTO PERPETUITY OVER TIME, AS ADJACENT PROPERTIES DO DEVELOP, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TIE ONTO OUR ROAD AND MAYBE GO OUT TO SMOKE HERE OR GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DEAL. SO THAT'LL, THAT'LL EVENTUALLY TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF ARTERIALS. IF THIS COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO DEVELOP. SO OKAY, SO LET ME MISS STONE. I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE AERIAL AND I SEE WHERE THE CREEK COMES DOWN ON THE EAST SIDE. BUT THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A TRIANGLE OF LAND BETWEEN THE CREEK AND THE PROPERTY LINE. RIGHT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT YOU GOT IT UPSIDE TO THE EAST. IS THERE PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THE CREEK, OVER TO THE PROPERTY LINE? PUT UP THE AERIAL. NO, THAT IS THE CREEK. RIGHT THERE IT COMES. THAT'S THE CREEK. YOU SEE THAT? THOSE TREES. THAT'S THE CREEK IN THAT FIELD. OKAY. WELL ALRIGHT. WELL I'M JUST LOOKING AT OKAY, THAT BLUE LINE IS THE PROPERTY LINE OF THAT. RIGHT. BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE A CREEK COMING OUT OF THAT. NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S LIKE A ROAD OR SOMETHING. IS THAT A ROAD COMING BACK TO THIS FIELD? YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, MR. STONE, YOU PLAN ON DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY OR NOT? I MEAN I'LL IF, IF, IF I WOULD COMMIT TO IT AS LONG AS WE CAN ADHERE TO IT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO WARRANT LESS. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE WE'RE COMMITTING ON THE DECEL LANE TO DO MORE THAN THE TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD EVER WARRANT. I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, IF IF I NEED TO GET A TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE LIVE BY THE TRAFFIC STUDY, I MEAN, WE'LL DO THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO ONCE AGAIN, I'M YOU'RE THE TRAFFIC STUDY DOESN'T CONCERN ME AS MUCH AS LINE OF SIGHT. WELL, I KNOW, BUT I THINK THE LINE OF SIGHT IS MORE IMPORTANT. WELL WE'LL DO A TRAFFIC STUDY INCLUDES AN INTERSECTION ANALYSIS. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT. AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE SIGHT DISTANCE VERIFICATION. I MEAN THAT'S STEP ONE YOU KNOW TO VERIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU MEET THAT I THINK THIS IS 55, RIGHT? SO WE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE 610 BOTH DIRECTIONS. I THINK I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, IT'S 55 OR 45. WHAT'S THE SPEED LIMIT ON BRADLEY ROAD. I WOULD THINK IT'S 5555 IF I'M DRIVING. YEAH. SO I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S STEP ONE WHEN WE GO LOOKING AT PROPERTY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTERSECTION MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. LIKE I SAID, THAT THAT COMPONENT OF IT. BUT A FULL BLOWN TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD INCLUDE AN INTERSECTION ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, SO WILLING TO DO IT, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE DIESEL IN A WAY. IT'S THE ONLY POINT I'M MAKING. ALL RIGHT. SO IS JAMES EXPECTED BACK NEXT MONTH. YEAH. TABLE IS APPROVED. OH DID HE HAVE AN OPERATION? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I'M SORRY. YEAH. WELL I LIVE ON STOVALL ROAD AND IT'S A 55 MILE AN HOUR. IT'S WAY TOO FAST BECAUSE THEY GO 70. I UNDERSTAND THE SPEED LIMIT IS 55. WELL, HE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. NO HE CAN'T. I MEAN, BRILEY AND SMOKEY ROADS THE SAME WAY I TRAVEL ALL OF THEM. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO GET THEM TO CHANGE THE SPEED LIMIT. I THINK OVER TIME THAT WILL HAPPEN PROBABLY. YOU KNOW, AS AREAS DEVELOP MORE, I MEAN, THE SPEED LIMIT, THE SPEED LIMIT IN FOR AN INCREASE ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT IS THERE JUST WENT THROUGH REVIEW WITH JAMES AND THEIR DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO JAMES'S SURGERY. SO JAMES IS 100% REVIEW THIS AND SIGNED OFF ON IT. OKAY. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY OTHER PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU GUYS SEE THAT WE'RE NOT MEETING? NO, I. NOT THAT I KNOW OF. NOT THAT I SEE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. WELL I THINK WE'VE HAD PRO CON AND PRO AGAIN ANSWER QUESTIONS. SO. BOARD IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, HOW WOULD DO I HEAR A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE. [01:00:03] SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY SANDY AND SECONDED BY COACH. ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND. ONE. TWO. THREE. OH, HELL. EXCUSE MY FRENCH. YEAH. YES. SO IS THAT A TIE? VOTE ALL FOR THE OPPOSED? NO, NO. ALL OPPOSED? RAISE YOUR HAND. ONE. TWO. THREE. IF YOU WERE FOUR, YOU. SO THANK YOU ALL. Y'ALL CAN PUT IT ON ME IN THIS LIKE IT'S YOUR PLACE BLUE. LIKE IT'S YOUR PROPERTY. YEAH. LIKE IT'S IN. LIBERTY HILL. OH OH, DON'T TELL ME THAT. LET'S SEE. I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO. REMIND THE BOARD THAT THIS COMPLIES WITH ALL THREE COUNTY CODES AND REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE IT COMPLIES WITH ME, IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE IT. LOOK FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT MEETS. AND I THINK THAT'S A CRAPPY RULE, BUT I THINK. YEAH. I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER. IT'S IT'S DONE. THE OTHER DRIVEWAYS TALKING ABOUT BE ABLE TO GO OFF THIS PROPERTY. THERE'S PROPERTY ADJOINING GOING BACK BEHIND IT AND BESIDE IT THAT PEOPLE OWN AND THEY DO NOT SELL THERE. THEY KEEP IT. SO HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DEVELOP? THEY THAT'S ENTIRELY UP THAT THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO THE BUILDER. IF HE WANTS TO PUT A STUB OFF OF HIS ROAD OUT TO THE EDGE OF HIS PROPERTY, HE CAN DO IT NOW, WHETHER IT EVER GETS USED. AND SOMEBODY ELSE BUILDS NEXT DOOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND WANTS TO CONNECT TO IT, THAT'S FOR THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S HIS MONEY TO WASTE OR NOT WASTE ON IT. AND THAT'S FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MOVE IN TO SAY THEY WANT TO MOVE IN WITH STUBBED OUT, WHERE THEY CAN GO TO THE NEXT PROPERTY OR NOT. BUT YOU SEE TO THE WEST AND THAT OTHER SUBDIVISION, HE'D HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY TO GIVE UP THEIR HOUSE TO, TO STUB OUT. SO I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING I DON'T KNOW WHAT GOOD THAT WOULD DO THAT PROPERTY. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT'S ON THEIR LAND. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. SO. ALRIGHT. LET'S MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. OH THANK YOU SANDY, KEEP ME STRAIGHT. MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALRIGHTY. STAND UP. LET'S GO HOME. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.