[00:00:02] TIME? IS THIS CLOSE ENOUGH? 10:00. 10:00 FOR THIS? ALRIGHT. 10:00 ACCORDING TO THE COMPUTER. SO GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THE. DID YOU HIT THE GAVEL? I'VE GOT [I. Call To Order ] THE GAVEL. CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER. I HAVE TO USE GAVEL BECAUSE THEY SAY THAT'S HOW THE RECORDING STARTS. WHOEVER'S IN THE HALL PUSHING THE BUTTONS TO RECORD. SO CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IT'S THE THURSDAY, DECEMBER 11TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ZONING [II. Announcements ] APPEALS AND PLANNING COMMISSION. ANNOUNCEMENTS. YES. I WILL GO AHEAD AND APOLOGIZE. MISS RUTH'S NOT HERE. SO YOU'RE STUCK WITH ME TODAY. SO ANYWAYS, I WANT TO INTRODUCE AUSTIN BURGESS. HE IS OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. HE WAS WITH US BEFORE HERE 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO AND THEN LEFT AND IS NOW BACK WITH US AS THE NEW DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STARTED YESTERDAY. AND SO HE'LL PROBABLY BE HELPING RUN THIS NEXT TIME. SO WHAT IS THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DO? HE IS OVER ALL OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS PLANNING, ZONING, BUSINESS LICENSES, BUILDING PERMITS, BUILDING INSPECTIONS. THAT'S ABOUT IT. HE'S IN CHARGE THEN? YES. OKAY, GOOD. YES. AND HE'S PRESENTED AT THIS MEETING BEFORE. PROBABLY 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO, HE WAS PRESENTING SOME OF THE CASES WHERE HE WAS KIND OF LEARNING AND TRAINING AT THAT TIME. SO HE'S BACK WITH US, HAPPY TO HAVE HIM AT OUR LAST BOARD OF ZONING MEETING, WHICH WAS NOVEMBER 13TH, I THINK WE HAD A REZONING THAT WAS ON NEW FRANKLIN ROAD. IT WAS THE OLD VET CENTER ON NEW FRANKLIN ROAD, AND IT WENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AT THE LAST MEETING. AND THE COMMISSIONERS DID APPROVE THAT AS WELL. THIS BOARD APPROVED IT, AND THEN THE COMMISSIONERS APPROVED THAT REZONING ON NEW FRANKLIN ROAD. AND OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JANUARY 8TH, 2026. AND WE DO HAVE CASES. SO WE WILL HAVE THAT MEETING ON JANUARY 8TH, 2026. THAT'S ALL THE ANNOUNCEMENTS. ALRIGHTY. SO WE NEED TO EVERYBODY LOOKED AT OUR AGENDA. WE NEED TO LOOK OVER [III. Approve the Final Agenda ] AND APPROVE THE FINAL AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. SECOND. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? APPROVE. MOTION CARRIES. HAVE [IV.1. Board of Zoning Appeals & Planning Commission - Regular Meeting - Nov 13, 2025 10:00 AM] YOU READ THE MEETINGS OF THE LAST MINUTE? THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? ANYBODY WANT TO APPROVE THEM? NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM [V.A.1. Rezoning - Carl Neely - 2734 Roanoke Rd (APN 0621D000099) 1st Reading - Vote Eligible] LAST MEETING? MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT. NEED TO MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? SO MOVED SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. WE ARE ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE NOW IN OUR PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A REZONING. REZONING APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY MR. CARL NEELY. AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS CHARLES NEELY. MR. CHARLES NEELY PASSED AWAY, I BELIEVE, EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND THE SON, CARL, WHO'S THE EXECUTOR OF THE ESTATE, HAS FILED THIS APPLICATION. THE APPLICATION IS FOR 2734 ROANOKE ROAD. IT'S A THREE ACRE PARCEL AND A LITTLE HISTORY ON IT. AND FOR THIS APPLICATION THAT THIS PARCEL WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED COMMERCIAL AND THAT DURING THE UDO PROCESS AND ADOPTING THE NEW MAP VIA THE UDO, IT ACCIDENTALLY GOT CHANGED TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND NO ONE HAD CAUGHT THAT. BUT UPON THE DEATH OF MR. NEELY, THE FAMILY I BELIEVE, IS TRYING TO SELL THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S WHEN IT WAS NOTICED THAT IT HAD SOMEHOW CHANGED, WHICH WAS AN ACCIDENT FROM THE COMMERCIAL TO THE THE RESIDENTIAL. AND SO THEN WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, WE VERIFIED THAT, YES, IT HAD HAD BEEN COMMERCIAL AND THEY WENT AHEAD AND APPLIED. WE DIDN'T CHARGE THEM FOR THE APPLICATION, BUT THEY WENT AHEAD AND APPLIED TO HAVE IT CHANGED BACK TO THE COMMERCIAL. SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORY ON THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL. JAMES HAS IT UP RIGHT NOW. AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION OF ROANOKE ROAD AND WHITAKER ROAD AND FLING ROAD, WHICH IS A LITTLE COMMERCIAL NODE. THERE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT GAS STATIONS. ONE OF THEM'S THE, I THINK, THE OLD PICNIC BASKET. AND THEN ALSO BEHIND THE PICNIC BASKET, THERE'S SEVERAL PARCELS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL, I THINK EVEN HEAVY COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS DON'S BOAT STORAGE AND RV STORAGE THERE. SO IT'S THE INTERSECTION OF ROANOKE ROAD AND OR RIGHT UP CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION. JAMES HAS IT UP. AND THAT THREE ACRE PARCEL THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, 2734 IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND AS I [00:05:06] SAID, IT USED TO BE COMMERCIAL LIKE THE OTHERS THERE, BUT IT WAS A MISTAKE. AND WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT THAT FOR THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY ALREADY. IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY POSTED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND A SIGN PUT UP. WE'VE HAD NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, NO PHONE CALLS AND IT IS TO REZONE IT BACK. AS I SAID, TO LIMITED COMMERCIAL. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING STANDARDS THAT WE LOOK AT, WHETHER THE PROPOSED REZONING, YOU KNOW, WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE TRAFFIC OR THE UTILITIES OR ANYTHING OF THOSE STANDARDS, WE DON'T SEE ANY NEGATIVE EFFECTS. AND IT'S ALSO AS A POINT I THINK, OF IT'S GOING TO LIMITED COMMERCIAL. SO IT'S NOT HEAVY COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S IT'S SUITABLE FOR THAT AREA. AND, AND ALREADY IS WHAT IT WAS ZONED BEFORE. ANY QUESTIONS. NO. OKAY. ANYBODY IN THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M ASSUMING MR. NEELY'S HERE. YOU DON'T. UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. I'M. GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MR. NEELY. HE'S OUT OF STATE. HE LIVES IN SOUTH FLORIDA, SO HE CAN HANDLE IT FOR HIM. ALRIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? AND AS WE ALWAYS DO, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE REZONING BACK TO LIMITED COMMERCIAL, THAT WHOEVER DOES PURCHASE IT WOULD STILL NEED TO APPLY FOR WHATEVER BUILDING PERMITS, DEVELOPMENT PERMITS, DESIGN STANDARDS THAT THAT IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM THE WHOLE REIGN TO JUST DO WHAT THEY WANT. BUT IT DOES BRING THE PROPERTY BACK TO COMMERCIAL. BUT WHOEVER BUYS IT WILL STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS OUR STANDARDS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS REZONING? AND NO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, HOW WOULD THE BOARD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THIS REZONING. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. LET MR. NEELY KNOW. AS YOU ALL DO, IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. NEXT. YES. NEXT [V.B.1. Special Use Application - Ralph Howard - 3570 Mooty Bridge Rd (APN 0681 000046) 1st Reading - Vote Eligible] ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. SPECIAL USE APPLICATION BY MR. RALPH HOWARD FOR 3570 MOODY BRIDGE ROAD. THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION IS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 9.947 ACRES TO AN EXISTING 20 ACRE SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED MAY 7TH OF 2024. AND NOW, I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF THIS. OVERALL, I GUESS PROPERTY HAS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO IT. BACK IN 2019, AND JAMES WILL PUT IT UP. YES, RIGHT THERE. THE APRIL 16TH OF 2019, THE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS APPROVED A 20 ACRE PERPETUAL PUBLIC CEMETERY. IT'S A PUBLIC PERPETUAL USE CEMETERY. AND SO IN 2019, THE PLAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD AND THE COMMISSIONERS IN 2019 TO SEPARATE THAT 20 ACRES OFF OF THE PARENT PARCEL AND, AND HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. RALPH SURVEY, SURVEY THAT SURVEY THAT OFF CREATED AS ITS OWN PARCEL AND THEN GET THE PROPER LICENSING AND SO FORTH FOR A CEMETERY. AND MR. RALPH DID THAT THAT WAS SET OFF. IF YOU GO TO Q PUBLIC YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT PARCEL. AND Q PUBLIC IS A 20 ACRE PARCEL. IT'S IN THE NAME OF WHISPERING PINES CEMETERY, I BELIEVE. AND SO HE FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH CREATING THAT CEMETERY. THERE. IT IS RIGHT THERE. AND IT SHOWS THERE 20 ACRES WHISPERING HILLS LLC. SO IN 2019, THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT CREATED THAT CEMETERY. WELL, LAST YEAR IN 2024, MR. HOWARD CAME BACK AND ASKED FOR ANOTHER 20 ACRES TO BE SPLIT OFF OF THAT PARCEL. AND THIS IS THE SURVEY THAT WAS USED AT THAT TIME OR THE PROPOSED SURVEY THAT. AND IF YOU SEE WHERE THE PLUS SIGNS ARE OR THE X'S, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL 20 ACRES WHERE THE THE PLUS SIGNS OR THE X'S IS THAT THAT WE JUST SAW ON Q PUBLIC. AND SO THEN THE OTHER AREA, I GUESS THAT'S TO THE WEST AND THE NORTHWEST AND THE NORTHEAST. LAST YEAR HE ASKED FOR ANOTHER 20 ACRES TO BE APPROVED FOR THE CEMETERY AS [00:10:04] WELL. AND THAT WAS APPROVED. IT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD, I THINK IT WAS MAY OF LAST YEAR, AND IT WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS AS WELL. AND THAT 20 ACRES THAT WAS APPROVED A YEAR AGO, HE HAS YET TO SURVEY THAT OFF THE PARENT PARCEL AND ADD IT TO. HE JUST HADN'T FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH IT ALL YET. BUT THAT APPROVAL IS SITTING THERE. HE GOT APPROVED FOR THIS ADDITIONAL 20 ACRES TO BE ADDED TO THE CEMETERY, WHICH THEN WOULD GIVE HIM A TOTAL OF 40. AS I SAID, HE HASN'T ACTUALLY FINISHED THE SURVEY AND ADDING IT TO IT YET. SO WHAT THE APPLICATION IS NOW IS TO ADD ANOTHER NINE ACRES, 9.9 ACRES, WHICH HIS CURRENT SURVEY HERE SHOWS THAT THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT LITTLE CREEK OR STREAM IS, IS ANOTHER 9.9. AND SO THAT IS THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS TO ADD ANOTHER 9.9 ACRES. SO AS OF LAST YEAR HE HAD 40 ACRES APPROVED THIS. IF APPROVED, THIS WOULD GIVE HIM 49.9 ACRES TO BE ABLE TO THEN SPLIT OFF OF THE PARENT PARCEL AND ADD IT TO THE CEMETERY. AND SO TO LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION NOW IT'S 3570 MOODY BRIDGE ROAD. THAT IS TO ADD ANOTHER 9.9 ACRES TO THE CEMETERY THAT ALREADY EXISTS TO GO WITH THE 20 FROM LAST YEAR. SO THAT WOULD GIVE HIM A TOTAL OF 40.99 IF IF APPROVED. THIS HAS BEEN POSTED IN THE PAPER SIGNED PUT OUT THERE. WE'VE HAD NO COMMENTS, NO CALLS TO THE OFFICE. AND LET'S SEE OTHER DETAILS. AS I SAID, THE FIRST 20 ACRES WAS APPROVED IN 2019. ANOTHER 20 ACRES APPROVED MAY OF LAST YEAR, AND SO HE'S ASKING FOR ANOTHER 9.9 TO BE ADDED TO IT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPECIAL USE CONSIDERATIONS LIKE OUR CONSIDERATIONS FOR SPECIAL USE, SUCH AS WITH THIS APPROVAL, OVERBURDEN OUR STREET SYSTEM OR PUBLIC SAFETY. WE DON'T THINK SO. IF WOULD IT OVER APPROVE UTILITIES? WATER? SEWER? SEPTIC? NO, IT WOULD NOT. DOES IT PROVIDE ANY EXCESS NOISE OR LIGHT OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT. NO, WE DO NOT SEE A NEGATIVE EFFECT FROM THAT. DO WE SEE ANY OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS? WE WE DO NOT. THE CEMETERY OR THE THE PLOTS AND THE CEMETERY MEET THE STATE REGULATIONS. SO IT DOES MEET THE STATE REGULATIONS FOR CEMETERIES. IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE DO HAVE EIGHT CONSIDERATIONS OR EIGHT CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD PLACE ON IT. AND THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE OTHER STAFF REPORTS WE HAD IN 2019 AND 2024, THAT IT SHALL REMAIN A GREEN NATURAL CEMETERY ONLY IF IT'S IF IT'S APPROVED, ANY DEVIATIONS, SIGNIFICANT DEVIATIONS FROM LIKE THE PLAT WE JUST SAW. IF HE WANTED TO MOVE THE AREA, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL AGAIN. IT HAS TO BE PER PER THE DRAWING THAT HE PROVIDED. THAT IT HAS TO HAVE A 30 FOOT BUFFER FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTY LINES, AND THAT WAS A CONDITION PLACED ON THE OTHER ONES AS WELL. 100 FOOT SETBACK FROM ANY GRAVES TO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS AND WELLS. AND THAT'S THAT WAS FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AND THAT'S BEEN A CONDITION FROM ALL THE OTHERS AS WELL. AND A 50 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE GRAVES TO ANY CREEK, STREAMS, PONDS OR WATERS. AND THAT IS ALSO A STATE REGULATION, I BELIEVE, AND THAT ALSO THEY CANNOT HAVE ANY GRAVE SITES WITHIN A FEMA FLOODPLAIN AREA AS DESIGNATED BY THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN. AND THAT'S ALSO A STATE REGULATION. AND THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN PUT ON IT FOR ALL OF THE APPROVALS THAT THEN HE WOULD ALSO NEED TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND ADD THIS TO THE LICENSE FOR THE STATE TO WHERE IT'S IT IS HAVE A GEORGIA STATE LICENSE FOR PERPETUAL CARE CEREMONY, PERPETUAL CARE CEMETERY AND THAT THEN WHEN IT'S ALL SUBMITTED TO US THAT IT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM NOW OF 49.947 ACRES OF CEMETERY, WHICH IS ALL OF THEM COMBINED, THE TWO ORIGINAL 20 PLUS AN EXTRA 9.9. SO ULTIMATELY AT THE END, HE WOULD ONLY BE APPROVED. IF IT'S APPROVED, HE WOULD ONLY BE APPROVED FOR 49.947 ACRES OF CEMETERY. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? DO I RECALL IN 2019 THAT IT STICKS IN MY MIND? I COULD BE WRONG THAT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A LARGER A LARGER TRACK AT THAT TIME, BUT IT WAS REDUCED BACK TO THE 20 ACRES. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER. WE COULD PROBABLY FIND IT. NOT THAT IT MATTERS, BUT I THINK HE STICKS IN MY HEAD. YEAH, I THINK IT WAS. YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS A LARGE SIGNIFICANT PART. BUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT [00:15:05] THE TIME AND THEN ALSO WHAT GOT APPROVED WAS FOR 20 ACRES, WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THE REASONING TO REDUCE IT AT THAT TIME FROM 40 TO 20 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS. STAFF FELT LIKE THAT WAS A PRETTY BIG PARCEL. I KNOW WE HAD LOOKED AT. JAMES IS FAMILIAR WITH IT. HE WAS HERE WITH ME THEN THAT IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE CEMETERY DOWNTOWN HERE, THAT IT WAS ONLY LIKE AROUND 20 ACRES OR SOMETHING. AND YET THAT CEMETERY WAS BIG ENOUGH FOR YEARS AND, AND SO THAT WE FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, 20 ACRES, IT WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME JUST TO FILL UP 20 ACRES. THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A NEED FOR ANOTHER CEMETERY? YES. COULD IT IS THIS A GOOD SPOT FOR ONE? SURE. AND BUT WE FELT LIKE 20 ACRES WOULD BE A BIG ENOUGH AREA FOR, FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO SERVE THE PUBLIC. THAT WAS THE RATIONALE AT THE TIME. I BELIEVE IF YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JAMES, I REMEMBER THE SAME. SO I ONE OF SORRY, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS AT THE TIME AND EVEN TO STILL CONSIDER IS THE AREA, THE WAY THAT MR. RALPH IS RUNNING THE NATURAL GREEN CEMETERY IS IT'S KIND OF IT IS NOT LIKE THE ONE DOWNTOWN, THOUGH, WHERE THEY ARE JUST RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER, VERY CLOSE, HIGH DENSITY IT IS. YOU KIND OF PICK WHERE YOU WANT TO BE IN THE WOODS. IT'S A WOODED AREA. IT'S NOT CLEARED LIKE THE CEMETERY IS WHERE THEN YOU CAN PUT THEM JUST RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. IT'S IT'S MORE IN THE WOODS IN A, IN, IN, IN AMONG THE TREES AND STUFF. AND THEREFORE THEY'RE NOT AS DENSE. SO IF YOU IF NORMALLY AT A CEMETERY LIKE DOWNTOWN AND I'M MAKING UP A NUMBER, BUT IF YOU COULD GET LIKE 100 GRAVESITES IN AN ACRE OR A THOUSAND GRAVESITES IN AN ACRE, THAT YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT AT A NATURAL GREEN ONE, THOUGH, BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE SPREAD OUT IN CERTAIN SPOTS AND NOT JUST LIKE ROWS OF THEM, IF THAT, IF YOU MAKE SENSE. SO HE WOULD REALLY NOT GET THE DENSITY IN A NATURAL GREEN CEMETERY THAT YOU WOULD IN A, IN MAYBE A TYPICAL ORDINARY CEMETERY. SO THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION TO, TO THINK OF THAT HE WOULDN'T REALLY GET THE DENSITY IN A NATURAL GREEN ONE. BUT BUT YES, BUT YES, THE APPLICATION BACK TO YOUR QUESTION WAS FOR MORE ACREAGE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO OBVIOUSLY I WAS NOT ON THE BOARD LAST YEAR, BUT SUPPOSEDLY IT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS 20 ACRES AND NOTHING REALLY IS DOCUMENTED OTHER THAN THAT SKETCH THAT HAS THAT. BUT I YOU KNOW, I'M NOT DISAGREEING. MY QUESTION IS WHY DID THEY APPROVE 20 ACRES? THAT BASICALLY CREATES A LANDLOCKED PIECE OF PROPERTY. BEYOND THAT, IT'S NOT LANDLOCKED, THOUGH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY FROM LAST YEAR OR THIS YEAR, THE THE LINES HERE AND THERE'S MOODY BRIDGE ROAD, THE LINES IS LIKE, WHAT WOULD REMAIN WITH THAT PARCEL? AND IF YOU SEE IT ACTUALLY KEEPS A 60 FOOT AREA AROUND THE PERIMETER THAT THEN STILL LAND HOOKS THE REST IN THE BACK, THERE'S GOING TO BE PRETTY DIFFICULT TO PUT A ROAD AT SOME OF THOSE ANGLES OR ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC. MR. RALPH CAN SPEAK TO THAT, NOT ME, BUT AND NOW THE FAMILY, THE, THE, THE FAMILY DOES OWN AS INFORMATION THE OTHER PARCEL. YEAH. BUT IT STILL, IN MY OPINION CREATES BASICALLY A PIECE OF PROPERTY. WHICH PIECE, WHICH WHICH ONE ARE YOU SAYING IS LANDLOCKED? THIS PARCEL BEHIND HERE, ALL YOU GOT IS THIS LITTLE BITTY ON PAPER. IT IS NOT LANDLOCKED. IT IT HAS A 60 FOOT SLIP OR SLIVER OF OF LAND AROUND IT BASICALLY IS IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR A ROAD. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PIECE OVER HERE IS CUT OFF, RIGHT. THE ONLY ACCESS WOULD BE AROUND THAT PERIMETER. MR. RALPH, BUSINESS MUST HAVE BEEN GOOD THE LAST 5 OR 6 YEARS. SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE. BUSINESS MUST HAVE BEEN GOOD THE LAST 5 OR 6 YEARS TO BE ADDING ON THIS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROPERTY. OKAY, I HAVE A BIT OF A HEARING. WOULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? SURE. I WHAT? TELL ME WHAT YOUR ABSORPTION RATE HAS BEEN ON THE ORIGINAL TRACK OF 20 ACRES APPROVED IN 2019, I THINK. I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. BASICALLY THE THE ZONING BOARD AND THE COMMISSIONERS HAD NEVER HAD A REQUEST LIKE THIS BEFORE. AND SO THE WORD CEMETERY, IN THEIR MINDS, THEY THINK SHADOW LONG AND REST LONG AND THE OTHER CEMETERIES, THAT'S WHAT COMES TO PEOPLE'S MINDS. BUT THIS WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE THING IN TERMS OF DENSITY, PARTICULARLY THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ATTRACTIVE, ACCORDING TO THE THE PEOPLE WHO STARTED [00:20:04] THIS GREEN CEMETERY MOVEMENT BACK IN 1997 OR 1998 WAS IT'S RUGGED. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S JUST THE TYPICAL PIEDMONT TYPE THING. YOU'RE EITHER GOING UPHILL OR DOWNHILL, YOU'RE NEVER GOING FLAT. AND ALSO THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS WAS WOODED AND IT HAD A LOT OF ROCKS OUTCROPPINGS ON IT. SO I APPLIED FOR A LARGE A LARGER PIECE. BUT THE, THE BOARD, THE BOARD, THEY THINKING THE OTHER THING THEY THOUGHT, WELL, GEEZ, 20 ACRES IS BIG ENOUGH, YOU KNOW. BUT NOW ONCE WE ONCE WE ESTABLISH THE 20 ACRES AND GOT ON THE PROPERTY, SAW THE AREAS THAT THEY JUST PICKED 20 ACRES ARBITRARILY OR THEY REASONABLY THOUGHT 20 ACRES WAS SUFFICIENT FOR QUITE A WHILE. BUT THEN WHEN WE GOT ON THE PROPERTY, ABOUT 7 OR 8 ACRES WAS COMPLETELY ROCKY AND THE OTHER WAS COMPLETELY HILLY. THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD YOU COULD DIG A GRAVE ON ON THE SIDE OF THESE HILLS. SO WHEN I SO WHEN PEOPLE WOULD COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT, THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, I LIKE RIGHT OVER THERE. I WOULD SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT THE CEMETERY. SO YOU'D BE ON THE CEMETERY, BUT WHENEVER YOU LOOKED AROUND ALL THE WAY AROUND IT, IT WAS YOU COULDN'T SEE WHAT WAS CEMETERY, NOT CEMETERY. THE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE, IT WAS BOUNDED BY A CREEK. THAT WAS PRETTY OBVIOUS, BUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE IT WAS NOT BOUNDED BY THE CREEK. IT WAS JUST, HERE'S A TREE AND THERE'S A TREE. SO ANYWAY, I ASKED FOR THE ADDITIONAL 20 ACRES IN MY MIND AND I WAS INCORRECT, I THINK. I THOUGHT SOMEHOW I WAS LIMITED TO 20 ACRES. SO WHEN I ASKED FOR THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY SO THAT PEOPLE THERE COULD SEE THE CEMETERY WHEN THEY WERE THERE, I ASKED FOR 20 ACRES. AND WHEN THEY SURVEYED THE 20 ACRES, IT TURNED OUT THAT THE SURVEY LINE WAS ON THE SIDE OF A HILL. IT WAS SO STEEP THERE ON THE SIDE OF THAT HILL WHERE THE ACTUAL 20 ACRES WENT, WAS THAT YOU COULD HARDLY WALK ON IT, JUST GIVE YOU A AN EXAMPLE. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I, WHEN I, WHEN I THOUGHT IN MY MIND THAT THE, THE ADDITIONAL 20 ACRES WAS GOING TO INCLUDE THE OTHER BRANCH, THERE WAS ANOTHER BRANCH ON THE RIGHT SIDE OVER THERE. AND SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD GO THERE, BUT NO, IT WENT ON THE HILLSIDE. SO WHEN I WENT BACK, IT'S A LONG STORY. BUT ANYWAY, THE SURVEY NOW FOLLOWS THE ROAD SO, SO BEYOND THE BRANCH. SO THE BRANCH, THE SECOND BRANCH IS NOW INCLUDED IN THE CEMETERY, WHICH MAKES IT ATTRACTIVE TO, TO PEOPLE. SO ALSO THE THING ABOUT THIS CEMETERY COMPARED TO MOST CEMETERIES IS THE FACT PEOPLE CHOOSE WHERE THEY WANT TO GO. SOME PEOPLE WANT TO BE BY A TREE, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO BE UP ON THE HILL, SOME PEOPLE WANT TO BE DOWN BY THE BRANCH AND EVERYBODY JUST SELECTS THEIR PLACE. AND OF COURSE, IT'S FULLY WOODED. IT'S WOODED. IT'S ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL TYPE CEMETERY. THE PURPOSE OF THE CEMETERY, THE SECONDARY PURPOSE OF THE CEMETERY, YOU MIGHT SAY, IS TO PROTECT THE LAND. MY SISTER AND I GREW UP ON THAT LAND. IT'S BEAUTIFUL LAND. IT'S HILLY LAND. IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY GOOD FARMLAND. IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY GOOD CEMETERY LAND. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. CERTAIN AREAS ARE FLAT. SO THIS THIS ADDITIONAL NINE ACRES WILL PRETTY MUCH COMPLETE THE PICTURE THAT I WISH THAT I COULD HAVE GOTTEN BACK IN 2024. BUT DUE RESPECT TO THE TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE LISTENING TO THE STORY BACK THEN, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A GREEN CEMETERY WAS. AND SO SINCE SINCE 2021, I SUPPOSE IT WAS WHENEVER WE GOT THE FIRST DEAL. WE'VE ADVERTISED WIDELY. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME FROM ALABAMA, FLORIDA, TEXAS, BIRMINGHAM. WE EVEN HAVE A PERSON WHO CAME FROM ENGLAND. SO IT'S IT'S BEGUN TO PEOPLE NOW UNDERSTAND IT, TO UNDERSTAND IT. WE ASK PEOPLE TO TAKE A TOUR. WE'D ASK THE GENTLEMAN HAD HAD SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE TAKEN A TOUR THAT COULD SPEAK TO TO WHAT IT'S LIKE OUT THERE, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT'S A DIFFERENT. MAY I ASK YOU THIS ON THE ORIGINAL 20 ACRES FROM 2019, HOW MANY BURIAL PLOTS HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY USED? OKAY, HERE'S THE HERE'S THE I GOT THE STATISTICS HERE. I'LL READ FROM FROM WHAT MISS SHIRLEY BROUGHT ME. WE'VE HAD 190 PEOPLE COME OUT AND SELECT A SITE WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A RIGHT TO BURY SOMEBODY OR ASHES OR SCATTER ASHES. SO WE'VE HAD 190 CONTRACTS IN THESE FOUR YEARS. SO OF THOSE 60 HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN PLACE. SO A LOT OF PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE THAT ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS OR GO OUT AND PICK A SITE FOR THE FUTURE AND, AND SO OF NATURAL BURIALS IN CASKETS. WE'VE HAD [00:25:07] 12 OF NATURAL BURIALS AND SHROUDS. WE'VE HAD 12 OF ASHES BURIED OUT THERE. WE'VE HAD 24 OF ASHES SCATTERED. WE'VE HAD 12. SO WE'VE HAD 60, 60 DIFFERENT PEOPLE ON THAT 20 ACRE SITE. WHAT WOULD BE THE CAPACITY FOR ADDITIONAL SITES ON THE ORIGINAL 20 ACRES? WELL, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, THIS ADDITIONAL 29.9 ACRES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONLY NINE ACRES THAT'S SUITABLE FOR BURYING ANYTHING OTHER THAN SCATTERING ASHES. YOU CAN SCATTER ASHES IN ALL OF IT. BUT BUT THE BUT THIS NINE ACRES I'M ASKING FOR NOW IS ACTUALLY RELATIVELY FLAT. IT'S RELATIVELY WALKABLE. AND AND THE THE ORIGINAL 20 ACRES WAS NOT COULD HARDLY STAND UP ON IT. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I SHOULD MAYBE HAVE ASKED MAYBE, MAYBE I MAYBE I ASKED WRONG THE LAST TIME. AND WHEN I SPOKE TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, I SAID, LOOK, IF IT'S A QUESTION OF ACREAGE, SOME OF THE THE SECOND 20 ACRES THEY APPROVED, IT WAS NOT SUITABLE EITHER. I SAID MAYBE I COULD SWAP THIS HILLSIDE FOR SOME OF THAT, AND IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE WORTH THE WORTH. THE EFFORT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST LET ME ASK AGAIN. OF THE ORIGINAL 20 ACRES, HOW MANY MORE BURIALS, WHETHER THEY BE CASKETS OR SHROUDS OR BURYING ASHES, DO YOU BELIEVE? I WOULD SAY. I WOULD SAY WE COULD IN THAT IN THAT ORIGINAL 20 ACRES YOU COULD PROBABLY PUT. SHIRLEY MIGHT HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS. I'M GOING TO SAY 200, MAYBE A TOTAL OF 200 ON THE TOTAL. SO ANOTHER 140. YEAH, MAYBE, MAYBE 140. WE GOT 60. BUT IT'S A GROWING TREND BY THE WAY THE THE FIRST YEAR WE JUST HAD A FEW. AND THE NEXT YEAR A FEW MORE. AND THE NEXT YEAR THERE'S STILL ONLY THREE IN GEORGIA. BUT TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE IN, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE UNITED STATES IN 2000 AND IN 1998, THERE WAS LIKE ONE EXCLUSIVELY GREEN CEMETERY. IN 2012, WHEN I FIRST TALKED TO THE MAN WHO STARTED MILTON FIELDS, I THINK THERE WAS 112. NOW THERE'S OVER 300. SO JUST AS WE ALL KNOW, I THINK THAT THE CEMETERY IS BIG BUSINESS. BIG BUSINESS, EVERYBODY SOONER OR LATER HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. WE ALL PASS AWAY EVENTUALLY. SO IN, IN WHEN I STARTED, MR. MR. HIGGINS TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS ABOUT 40% OF PEOPLE HAD GONE FROM TRADITIONAL EMBALMING, COUGHING VAULTS TO ABOUT 40% WERE INTO CREMATIONS. NOW IT'S ABOUT 60. THAT'S IN ONLY FIVE YEARS. SO THERE'S A HUGE THERE'S A HUGE DEMOGRAPHIC. IS IT DEMOGRAPHIC? MAYBE THE WRONG WORD, BUT THERE'S A HUGE SHIFT IN THE FUNERAL INDUSTRY COHORT. BIG, BIG SHIFT. AND AND SO NOW THERE'S THREE I THINK I THINK I MENTIONED THAT THE NUMBER OF CEMETERIES IN THE UNITED STATES HAS GONE FROM 112 TO ALMOST 300 IN THOSE FOUR YEARS. WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, BY THE WAY, IS IT BACKS UP AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. IT BACKS UP AGAINST THE LAKE. IT'S LIKE AN OASIS, IF YOU WILL. AND SO MY SISTER AND I ARE VERY HAPPY THAT WE CAN SEE DOWN THE ROAD LONG AFTER WE'RE GONE. IT'S GOING TO BE JUST ABOUT THE WAY IT IS NOW. NO, WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU CHARGE IF I. IF I CAME TO YOU AND I WANTED TO BE BURIED IN A CASKET ON YOUR SITE, WHAT IS WHAT IS THE COST? WELL, YOU CAN BE BURIED OFF PROPERTY LINES. YOU CAN BE BURIED ON A CASKET, BUT IT HAS TO BE A BIODEGRADABLE CASKET. THAT'S THE WHOLE. THAT'S THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE NATURAL BURIAL. IT'S NATURAL. AND ONE MIGHT THINK ASHES ISN'T SO NATURAL, BUT IT IS NATURAL. I MEAN, WE CONSIDER IT NATURAL ANYWAY, SO. BUT WE DON'T BURY EMBALMED PEOPLE OR WE DON'T ALLOW METAL CASKETS. WE DON'T ALLOW CEMENT. EVERYBODY THAT'S BURIED OUT THERE IN JUST A FEW YEARS, THEY'LL BE DISINTEGRATED. AND SO PART OF THE EARTH. SO YOU COULD REUSE THOSE SPOTS, MA'AM. ONCE THEY'RE DISINTEGRATED, YOU COULD REUSE THOSE SPOTS. OH, MAN. NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR. NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR 49 ACRES. YEAH. NOW, IF IF IN THE FUTURE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE IN, IN MORE POPULATED PLACES LIKE EUROPE, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER LIKE 100 YEARS, THEY CAN USE THE SAME, USE THE SAME LAND. BUT LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING ELSE. YOU SAID THERE'S 104, PROBABLY 140 SITES LEFT IN THE ORIGINAL 20 ACRES. RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THERE WAS 200 SITES ABOUT [00:30:06] THAT MANY MORE. OKAY. IN THIS OTHER 20 ACRES THAT YOU GOT LAST YEAR, HOW MANY CAN YOU PUT IN THAT? 20. SO IT REALLY IT JUST THE THREE. THERE ARE TWO BRANCHES OUT THERE. THERE ARE THREE. IT'S LIKE A VALLEY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON A HILL. YOU GO DOWN TO THE BRANCH, YOU GO UP TO THE HILL. THAT'S WHERE THE CEMETERY WAS. YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT BRANCH AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE IS FLAT. SO RELATIVELY FLAT. SO THAT ADDITIONAL 20 ACRES THAT I GOT, IF I HAD KNOWN FOR SOME REASON WHEN I WAS GRANTED THE 20 ACRES ORIGINALLY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOME SORT OF A THING I HAD TO MEET AGAIN. I MADE A MISTAKE. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR 29 ACRES AT THE TIME, BUT I DIDN'T. LET ME LET ME GO AHEAD. NO. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. ALL YEAR, I GUESS JAY CAN ANSWER THIS WHEN THIS IS ANNEXED INTO I MEAN, NOT ANNEXED, BUT WHEN IT IS PUT INTO A CEMETERY PLOT, IT BECOMES TAX EXEMPT. RIGHT? OKAY. THAT'S. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT. YEAH. ONCE IT'S ONCE IT'S COMPLETELY STATE LICENSED, ONCE IT'S SURVEYED OFF AND COMPLETELY STATE LICENSED. AND, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PROCESS IS DONE AND IT'S STAMPED. AND THEN THEY PROVE THAT TO TO THE TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, THEN YES, IT'S IT'S TAX EXEMPT. OKAY. SO I GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I'VE SAID HERE AND LISTEN TO YOU SAY, BASICALLY YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD A CONTRACT FOR 190 BARRELS ON THE CURRENT 20 ACRES, AND THAT THE CURRENT 20 ACRES IS ONLY SUITABLE FOR 200 BURIALS TOTAL. SO THAT LEAVES YOUR REMAINING TEN CONTRACTS TO BE SOLD FOR THIS ORIGINAL 20 ACRES. THAT'S BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THAT EQUATES TO 4365FTâ– !S PER PR BURIAL. MY MY QUESTION IS, IF THIS GROUND WAS NOT SUITABLE FOR BURIALS, WHY DO YOU KEEP. TRYING TO ACQUIRE OR ADD LAND INTO IT THAT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR BURIALS? WHY DON'T YOU PICK A SPOT ON YOUR PROPERTY THAT IS SUITABLE FOR BURIALS? THE THE I WISH, I WISH I COULD COME OUT THERE AND RIDE AROUND AND LOOK AT IT. YOU'D GET A FEEL FOR IT. IT'S. THIS IS NOT A THIS IS NOT A HIGH DENSITY. THERE'S NOT A HIGH DENSITY OPPORTUNITY. THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN YOU CAN BURY PEOPLE LIKE SHADOWLAWN THE PEOPLE IN ONE ACRE OF SHADOWLAWN PROBABLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE WOULD BE, BUT IT'D TAKE MOST OF MY ACREAGE OUT THERE TO DO A THIRD OF SHADOWLAWN. I'M JUST I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SOMEBODY HEARING SOMETIMES. NO, I JUST I JUST DON'T FOLLOW MY DAUGHTER WHO'S. YEAH. I JUST DON'T FOLLOW WHY YOU KEEP TRYING TO ANNEX OR ADD SUBDIVIDE LAND INTO IT. THAT'S NOT SUITABLE. YOU SHOULD BE. I MEAN, YOU SHOULD SURVEY AND LAND A SUITABLE FOR BURIALS. WELL, IT'S SUITABLE FOR SCATTERED ASHES, ISN'T IT? YEAH. OH, YEAH. SCATTER ASHES. YEAH. YOU CAN PUT URNS IN THERE, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY SUITABLE FOR WHOLE BODIES. YEAH. YOU CAN'T DIG. WELL, YOU COULD DIG IN IT, BUT YOU WOULD MESS IT UP. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF A BIG A LOT OF TREES IN THERE AND IT'S DENSE AND YOU START DIGGING, PRETTY SOON YOU'RE GOING TO BE KILLING YOUR TREES. THE WHOLE IDEA. THERE WAS A FELLOW WHO STARTED THIS MOVEMENT BACK IN 1998 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HE GAVE A TED, HE SAID THAT GREEN CEMETERIES HAS A POTENTIAL FOR SAVING. LIKE, I THINK HE SAID, 17 MILLION ACRES OF LAND ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. IF IT GROWS, BECAUSE THIS LAND, IT'S WOODED NOW. YOU CAN'T. IT'S JUST NATURAL. IT'LL BE IT'LL CONTINUE TO BE NATURAL. IT WON'T EVER LOOK LIKE SHADOWLAWN. SMALL SECTIONS WILL SMALL SECTIONS. YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE BURIED CLOSE TOGETHER, BUT IT'S JUST 3 OR 4 MEADOWS WITHIN THE ACREAGE. AND NOW WE COULD WE COULD HAPPILY EXCHANGE SOME OF THE ACRES BACK THAT CAN'T BE USED FOR THE ACRES THAT COULD BE USED, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A LOT OF WORK. NOT REALLY. NOT A LOT OF GAMES. JUST A SURVEYOR. I I'VE BEEN THERE THREE TIMES. I DO CEREMONY, VETERANS CEREMONIES. I'VE BEEN THERE THREE TIMES. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT IS BEAUTIFUL. IT'S GORGEOUS. I UNDERSTAND THE ROCK AND THE HILLS. SO YOU'RE GOING DOWN THROUGH A VALLEY AND AND THE STREAMS AND ALL. AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WANTS TO USE IT FOR. IT IS ROCKY. AND SO WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS [00:35:01] FIGURE OUT, COULD HE GET THE OTHER NINE ACRES WOULD BE SO YOU CAN PUT THAT 200, MAYBE 140. WELL, YES, MAYBE NINE ACRES, PROBABLY ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 89 OR 100. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND IT. AND NO, WE, WE YOU HAVE TO GO THERE TO SEE IT. YOU REALLY HAVE TO GO THERE TO SEE WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE THERE TO SEE THE ROCKY AND THE MEADOWS AND AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S ACTUALLY BEAUTIFUL. IT'S QUIET AS WELL. TAKEN CARE OF. THE TREES. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT THE THING IS, IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE I KNOW LAGRANGE IS GROWING. IT IS GROWING. AND WHO KNOWS? THE CEMETERIES ARE FULL. MOST OF THE CEMETERIES IN THE FULL. I THINK THE LAST ONE WE GOT IS WHAT THE 1,027TH AND ALL THE REST OF THEM IS FILLING UP AND PEOPLE ARE CHANGING NOW. MORE PEOPLE ARE BEING CREMATED NOW THAN THEY ARE BEING BURIED, BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO OUT THERE. AND I'VE BEEN OUT THERE THREE TIMES AND I LOOKED IT OVER. I HAD NO IDEA THAT YOU WAS COMING BACK FOR MORE. YOU KNOW, YOU HAD MORE. HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE LEFT THAT YOU WANT TO? I WOULD NOT WANT TO MAKE ONE LITTLE POINT HERE. YOU ASK A QUESTION. WHY GET THE OTHER? I THINK IT'S A TERM CALLED SPOT ZONING. I DON'T I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T LIKE I WANT THIS LITTLE NINE ACRES OVER HERE, AND YOU KEEP THIS TEN ACRES HERE, AND THEN I'LL GET THESE EIGHT ACRES OVER HERE AND SIX ACRES OVER THERE. IT'S JUST. IT'S JUST WOODS, BASICALLY. WOODS AND ROCKS AND VALLEYS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION PROPERLY. I PROBABLY RAMBLED AROUND. CAN I MAKE A STATEMENT? SURE. AND YOU ARE? YES. I'M JOCELYN SCOTT, OKAY. AND I'M RALPH'S DAUGHTER AND ALSO GREW UP ENJOYING THESE WOODS WHEN MY GRANDPARENTS LIVED THERE. IT IS, AS JOE CONTESTED. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL, NATURAL SPOT THAT WE STILL HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THERE'S JUST THIS KIND OF LAND GRAB THAT'S GOING ON NOW FOR ANYTHING. THAT'S ACREAGE THAT WE CAN PUT AN APARTMENT THERE, WE CAN PUT A NEW SUBDIVISION, GOD FORBID, A DATA CENTER. BUT ANYWAY, I WON'T GO THERE. BUT WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS ECOTOURISM, AND THAT THIS PLACE ALSO SUITS THE NEEDS FOR TROUP COUNTY TO HAVE AN AREA THAT THEY CAN SAY IS TRULY SOMETHING THAT IS FOR ECOTOURISM, AND THAT IS A GROWING, GROWING. IF YOU TALK TO ANY MILLENNIAL, YOUNG, YOUNGER PERSON, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS WHOLE ECOTOURISM MEANS TO COMMUNITIES. AND AS MY FATHER WAS TALKING, WE'RE BRINGING PEOPLE TO LAGRANGE, TO TROUP COUNTY, FROM COUNTIES OUTSIDE OF LAGRANGE, FROM STATES OUTSIDE OF LAGRANGE. THEY'RE BRINGING PEOPLE. I'VE BEEN TO THESE SERVICES. WE'RE DOING SERVICES FOR VETERANS DAY. THEY'RE THAT BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THIS COMMUNITY. WHAT ARE THEY DOING? WHAT ARE THEY DOING WHEN THEY'RE HERE? IT'S LUNCHTIME. THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO OUR LOCAL RESTAURANTS. THEY'RE COMING FROM OUT OF STATE. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? THEY'RE GOING TO STAY IN OUR HOTELS. THEY'RE GOING TO ENJOY THIS COMMUNITY. AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WHEN THEY'RE THERE WITNESSING THIS BEAUTIFUL EVENT? THEY MAY BE THINKING, MY GOODNESS, I BETTER SELECT MY SPOT. AND THAT HAS HAPPENED MANY, MANY TIMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE THERE AND THEY'RE LIKE, I'M GOING THERE. THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO BE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING THAT I CAN DO TO MY SOUL AFTER I'M GONE. IT'S AN AMAZING THING. ALSO, ONCE A YEAR FOR THE EARTH DAY, THERE'S AN EVENT THERE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE BRINGING OTHER PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN EARTH DAY ECO TOURISM, BRINGING PEOPLE, BRINGING PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY. THEY GET TO TAKE TOURS OF THE SPOT. AND THIS LAST TIME THAT WE HAD THAT, WE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGN ON THE DOTTED LINE THAT THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO BE. I DON'T WANT TO BE AT SHADOWLAWN. I DO NOT PERSONALLY ME. I DO NOT WANT TO BE CREMATED. I DON'T LIKE FIRE. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO HAVE DONE TO MY BODY. I WANT IT TO GO INTO THE GROUND AND NURTURE THIS EARTH, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EARTH LEFT. TROUP COUNTY IS A SIGN OF THAT. WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT NATURAL SPACES AS MUCH AS WE CAN. SO I IMPLORE THIS BOARD TO AGREE THAT, YES, THIS NEEDS TO GROW. THIS NEEDS TO BE A, A, A SHINING STAR IN OUR TROUP COUNTY. AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO BRING BEFORE THE BOARD. SO THANK YOU. AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. IT'S A DESTINATION THING. IT IS. PEOPLE LOOK ON THE INTERNET, GREEN CEMETERIES. WHISPERING HILLS IS ONE OF THREE AND ONLY THREE IN GEORGIA. SO IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN A NATURAL BURIAL, THEY'VE GOT THREE. THREE CHOICES THAT COMES IN THROUGH COUNTY. OR THEY GO TO LIKE NORTH OF NORTH OF ATLANTA. THE OTHER TWO ARE NORTH OF ATLANTA. SO IT'S IT'S A IT'S DOES THIS NINE ACRES I SEE HERE ON THE PICTURE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE COMING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY WHERE JACKIE HUBBARD USED TO LIVE DOWN IN [00:40:02] THERE. THAT'S RIGHT THERE. AND MISS MISS HUBBARD HERE HELPED VOLUNTEERS TO HELP. THEY LIVE RIGHT. OKAY. YOU'RE STILL LIVING DOWN IN THERE? OKAY, OKAY, I DIDN'T I NEVER SEE ANYBODY COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE, SO I WASN'T SURE. YEAH OKAY. SO THAT'S NOT PART OF YOUR. NO NO OKAY. THIS PART THIS PART THAT'S JUST AN ADJOINING PIECE. ALL RIGHT. IT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE EAST. SOUTH SIDE. THIS IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ANYBODY TO COME AND TAKE A LOOK. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO. WE DON'T TRY TO SELL SITES. WE JUST COME AND LOOK. AND THEN IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, THEN WE TAKE IT FROM THERE. THANK YOU. BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW WHAT IT WAS. OUR OUR MAIN THRUST OF OUR ADVERTISING IS COME LOOK. YEAH. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU SIR. OH, ONE MORE QUESTION JOE. GOT ANOTHER QUESTION. YEAH. SO THIS THIS WOULD THIS COMPLETE EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED YOU'RE GOING TO USE FOR THE CEMETERY RIGHT NOW WITH THESE NINE ACRES COMPLETE, EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED FOR THIS. SO THAT'S THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS NEEDED FROM THE BEGINNING, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. BUT BUT OF COURSE, IT WAS SUCH A NEW THING THAT PEOPLE JUST COULDN'T WRAP THEIR HEAD AROUND PEOPLE JUST GOING IN AND WANTING TO BE BURIED BY THIS TREE OVER THERE, BY THOSE ROCKS OR THAT SORT OF THING. EVERYBODY, A CEMETERY, EVERYBODY LINED UP. BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THIS. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE, FOR OR AGAINST THIS APPLICANT? SEEING NONE. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR ANYBODY OR STAFF SEEING NONE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION. WE DENY IT. A SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO DENY AND HAS BEEN SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR OF DENYING THIS MOTION. RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION FAILS, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT. SECOND. MOTION TO APPROVE HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS THING. ONE. TWO. THREE. FOUR. MOTION CARRIES TO APPROVE. NOW, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE FINAL SAY CORRECT. IT'LL BE BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS IN IN JANUARY. AND THEY'LL HAVE THE FINAL VOTE ON THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU. Y'ALL DON'T NEED TO STAY UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO WATCH MORE OF THIS ENTERTAINMENT, THIS EDUCATIONAL ENTERTAINMENT. OUR [V.C.1. Special Exception Variance - Tina Johnson - 3162 Mountville-Hogansville Rd (APN 0190 000049) 1st Reading - Vote Eligible] THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AN APPLICATION BY MISS TINA JOHNSON AT 3162 MOUNTVILLE HOGANSVILLE ROAD. FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION VARIANCE FROM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OR THE BASICALLY PUTTING AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT YARD OF A 3.3 ACRE PARCEL CURRENTLY ZONED SUBURBAN MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, SHE WROTE ON HER APPLICATION. ON THE VARIANCE APPLICATION, SHE WROTE DUE TO SIGNIFICANT WATER DRAINAGE ISSUES AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, THE SOILS WASH OUT AND BECOME UNSTABLE AND UNSAFE FOR CONSTRUCTION. THERE IS ALSO DRIED CREEK BEDS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. PLEASE SEE ATTACHED SURVEY. AND THEN SHE HAD ATTACHED A SURVEY OR A LITTLE PLOT THERE, SHOWING WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, THE HOUSE AND WHERE SHE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE PROPOSED BARN WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT DOES SIT. THIS IS ALL ABOUT PUTTING A BUILDING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. YES, SIR. YES. AND WHICH THE? WHICH THEN DOES SHOW HOW IT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AND THEREFORE THAT THAT IS I MEAN, I GOT OKAY, I THINK IT'S A CRAZY RULE THAT YOU CAN'T PUT SOMETHING IN THE FRONT OF THE DOOR MYSELF, BUT SO THAT THAT IS THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US. SO TO SCAN THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT AGAIN REAL QUICK. IT'S 3162 MOUNTVILLE HOGANSVILLE 3.3 ACRES. IT IS CURRENTLY USED RESIDENTIALLY. THEY DO LIVE THERE. SIGNS HAVE BEEN POSTED AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PHONE CALLS OR COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY. ASKING TO PUT THE BARN IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AS WE SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF A VARIANCE THAT ARISES FROM A UNIQUE OR PECULIAR UNIQUE IN PARTICULAR TO TO THAT LAND, THE STRUCTURE IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THE PARTICULAR PHYSICAL SURROUNDINGS THAT THE CONDITION REQUIRES A REQUEST TO RELIEF, IF NOT RELIEF, IS NOT [00:45:03] ORDINARILY FOUND ON THE PROPERTY, THE CONDITION IS CREATED. THIS CONDITION IS CREATED BY THE REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND NOT AN ACTUAL ACTION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. GRANTING THE GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT IMPAIR OR INJURE OTHER PROPERTY OR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED. THE VARIANCE GRANTED IS THE MINIMUM VARIANCE THAT WOULD MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO REASONABLY USE THE LAND BUILDING OR STRUCTURES. THE VARIANCE DESIRED WILL NOT BE OPPOSED TO THE WILL NOT BE OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, OR THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. LET'S SEE IF THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS APPROVED. THE STRUCTURE MUST BE CONSTRUCTED AND LOCATED PER THE DRAWING OR THE SITE PLAN. OTHERWISE, THEY GOT TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD THAT THEY DO NEED TO THEN GET THE APPROPRIATE BUILDING PERMITS TO. THIS IS NOT APPROVAL OF THE PERMITS. THIS IS JUST APPROVAL TO PUT IT THERE. SO THEY DO HAVE TO COME GET THE NECESSARY BUILDING PERMITS. AND STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT THE BARN, IF IT'S APPROVED, THAT THE BARN OR ACCESSORY BUILDING WOULD BE DESIGNED WITH SIMILAR FACADE AND COLOR AND SO FORTH. SO IT WOULD MATCH THE HOUSE. SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IT MATCHES AND IS. AND I THINK THAT'S A FAIR REQUEST THAT YOU WOULD ASK FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO BE SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE, TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. IF YOU FOLLOW ME. ANY QUESTIONS? I GOT A QUESTION. THIS IS ADAM SEVEN THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. ITEM SEVEN. GO BACK UP. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. SEVEN UP THERE. IF IT VARIANCE DESIRED, WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL INTENT OF THE ZONING. OYSTERS ARE PROPOSED AND INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHY DO WE HAVE THIS IN THE IN THE ORDINANCE PERIOD. WHY DO WE HAVE WHY DO WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE COME BEFORE US MONTH AFTER MONTH REQUESTING TO PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE? IF IT'S NOT, IF THE VARIANCE IF ITEM SEVEN IS TRUE, THESE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE COMING IN HERE EVERY MONTH. AT MY UNDERSTANDING, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PARTICULAR SEVEN WOULD BE INTERPRETED INTERPRETED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING WORLD AS THE INTENT OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. IS THAT MAYBE MORE, IN MY OPINION, OF WHAT IT IS, IS MORE SO IF YOU'RE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, A SUBDIVISION OR WHATEVER, THAT YOU WOULDN'T PUT SOMETHING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THE HOUSE, THAT IT COMPLETELY DISTRACTS FROM IT. SO THE INTENT OF NO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THE FRONT YARD IS FOR FOR MORE OF A HIGHER DENSITY, NOT BLOCKING THE HOUSE. AND THEREFORE WHAT IT'S SAYING IS, IF WE APPROVE THIS, ARE WE REALLY VIOLATING THAT INTENT? I GUESS APPLICANTS CAN SPEAK TO IT BETTER THAN ME, BUT IT BEING OVER TO THE SIDE PER THE SITE PLAN, IF IT'S OVER TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, MORE OVER AWAY FROM THE HOUSE THAN IF YOU DRIVE BY. DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT'S A VISUAL EYESORE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR TO THE NEIGHBORS? AND THEREFORE THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT, THAT THE INTENT IS THAT IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY, DOES IT LOOK LIKE HORRIBLE AND DOES IT DETRACT FROM EVERYTHING WHERE I THINK THE ARGUMENT HERE, BUT THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO IT BETTER THAN ME. THE ARGUMENT MIGHT BE IT'S 100FT TO THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE AS YOU'RE DRIVING BY. IT'S NOT REALLY BLOCKING THE HOUSE. WELL, THE LAND DOESN'T. ACCORDING TO HER, YOU CAN'T BUILD IT. JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE ELSE BECAUSE OF THE THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND. IF THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. SORRY. NOT REALLY. I THINK THE I THINK I THINK THE WHATEVER THE CODE NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO CLARIFY THE INTENT SO THAT WE DON'T, THAT WE HAVE THESE HIGH DENSITY PEOPLE HOMES. I GET IT FOR THOSE ON SMALL ACREAGE, BUT IT'S HAD TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD TO GET A VARIANCE ON MINE. I KNOW, AND I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF 500 ACRES AND YOU COULDN'T EVER SEE IT. RIDICULOUS. IT IS RIDICULOUS. I'VE SAID IT MANY TIMES, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH APPLICANT ON A COUPLE OF POINTS IS I LOOKED AT THE TOPOGRAPHY MAPS FOR THIS AREA, AND BASICALLY THE TOPOGRAPHY WOULD PERMIT THE STRUCTURE TO BE LOCATED FURTHER BACK AND TO THE NORTH SO THAT IT WAS NOT TECHNICALLY IN FRONT OF THE FRONT LINE OF THE HOUSE. THEIR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH IS ACTUALLY BUILT A HOME IN A LOWER AREA THAN WHAT THIS PROPOSED BORN WOULD BE BUILT IN. [00:50:04] AND THE STREAM. NOT THAT IT'S A STREAM, BUT IT'S A. IT'S A DEPRESSION THAT THE WATER TRAVELS DOWN. IT'S BASICALLY WHERE THOSE HARDWOODS ARE AT ON THE TOPOGRAPHY MAP. SO I DISAGREE THAT THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE ROOM FOR THE STRUCTURE TO BE. WELL, THE TOPOGRAPHY ALSO SHOWS THAT THIS TO BE THE FLATTEST AREA WHERE IT'S PROPOSED, RELATIVELY SPEAKING. MAY I ASK YOU, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE BARN? WE HAD TO PURCHASE A TRACTOR AND EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING OLDER AND WE CAN'T BE PUSHING WHEELBARROWS UP AND DOWN HILLS WITH TREES THAT FALL ALL THE TIME FROM THE THOSE BEETLES GET INTO TREES. PINE BEETLES. YEAH. AND EVERY TIME WE HAVE WINDS, WE HAVE LIKE WHERE FROM 15 TO 20 TREES FALL. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A PINE BEETLES. WE HAVE A DRIED UP CREEK BED. IT'S ANYWHERE FROM 10 FOOT TO 20 FOOT TALL GOING ALL THROUGH OUR PROPERTY. AND THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD FILL THIS IN WITH DIRT. WE'VE ALREADY TRIED ON THE SIDE. THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AS Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BIGGEST AREA, IT'S OUR PROPERTY IS STRAIGHT DOWNHILL LIKE THIS, RIGHT? SO WHEN IT RAINS, EVERYTHING GOES DOWNHILL. AND IN THE BACK PART WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT, IT'S NOTHING BUT MUD BACK THERE BECAUSE ALL THAT RAIN GOES THERE AND SITS. AND IT'S NOT LEVEL. IT'S LIKE WE'RE THE BUILDERS, THIS HOUSE BUILD IT. THE ONLY PLACE THAT THE HOUSE WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE FOR MANY YEARS, BECAUSE THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS DOWNHILL. YOU GOT DITCHES TO THE LEFT OF IT, YOU GOT BIG DITCHES BEHIND THE HOUSE, AND THEY PUT THE DRAIN FIELDS FOR THE HOUSE BEHIND THE HOUSE, GOING ALL THE WAY TO THAT DITCH. DO YOU DO YOU HAVE LIVESTOCK? NO. WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE BUILDING IS PROPOSED UP? I BELIEVE Y'ALL HAVE THEM I DON'T HAVE. I'VE LOOKED FOR IT. I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE. I DIDN'T SEE DIMENSIONS. I JUST SAW THAT SITE PLAN. WELL, THERE'S A DRAWING IN THE BACK ON THE BACK PAGE. DIMENSIONS. WELL, YOU FILL WITH THE 60. IS IT 44FT? YEAH. 44 BY 21, 44 BY 21. IS THAT WHAT I SEE OR 23? YES. 44 BY 25. OKAY. YOU'RE CORRECT. SORRY. YEP. 44 BY 25. BASICALLY A THREE WIDE GARAGE TYPE THING WITH A LITTLE EXTRA IN THE MIDDLE. YEAH, THE TRACTOR'S GOING IN THE MIDDLE. AND THE THE EQUIPMENT THAT HOOKS TO IT WILL BE GOING IN THE OTHER TWO BAYS. YEAH. AND THIS BUILDING IS IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT MY HOUSE FROM THE ROAD, THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE OVER TO THE LEFT. THERE'S WOODS IN FRONT OF IT, BUT RIGHT NOW ALL THE LEAVES ARE OFF THE TREES. SO IT'S NOT REALLY. BUT WE DO. IF WE'RE APPROVED, WE WILL BE PLANNING OTHER THINGS. AND I HAVE ALREADY PLANTED LIKE 30 LEYLAND CYPRESS TREES OVER TO THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY. THAT WAS CLEAR TO HELP HIDE IT. AND MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS PUT IN EIGHT YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT USED TO BE ALL WOODS, THEIR HOUSES DON'T EVEN FACE MINE, THEIR FACE, THEIR ROAD, AND THE TWO END HOUSES THAT ARE NEAREST TO MY HOUSE. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE. SO. AND IT'S A GOOD WASTE FROM WHERE THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE. IT'S A GOOD 200 FOOT OR MORE. OUR YARD IS CLEAN, WE KEEP IT MAINTAINED. WE'RE COURTEOUS TO OUR NEIGHBORS. I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANY OF THEM IN HERE TODAY TO NOT APPROVE ANYTHING, SO. OKAY, I'M JUST OLD. I'M I'M 60. MY NEXT BIRTHDAY. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT SO IT IS IF YOU'RE PUSHING A WHEELBARROW, I CAN'T DO IT NO MORE. THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT A TRACTOR LAST YEAR. I JUST CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND AND I'D LIKE TO STAY THERE, YOU KNOW, UNTIL I DIE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS OR FOR THIS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? [00:55:06] ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE. I'D TAKE A MOTION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL PROVE IT. I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE IT WITH THE PROPER BUFFER THAT I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO APPROVE THIS WITH THE VARIANCES MENTIONED BY THE BOARD, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. BUILD YOUR BARN. WELL, WE COMMISSIONERS DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THIS. NO, THAT'S THAT'S IT. THIS IS IT. YEAH. GO BUILD YOUR BARN. JUST GO GET THE. JUST GET THE BUILDING PERMIT. GET A PERMIT? YES, MA'AM. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. YOU JUST NEED TO GET THE PERMITS NOW. IF YOU HAVE ALL YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW. YES. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. AND WHILE WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC HEARING, I WAS ALREADY THINKING BACK TO THE LAST ONE. THE THE SPECIAL USE IS I THINK IT WAS MR. LEE THAT MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DOCUMENTED THAT IT WAS WITH THE EIGHT CONDITIONS THAT WERE IN THE STAFF REPORT. OKAY. DO WE NEED TO REVOTE ON THAT THEN, OR JUST SAY IN OPEN MEETING THAT IT IS THAT WAS THE INTENT TO INCLUDE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? OKAY. I THINK WE'VE DOCUMENTED IT THEN. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, JUST LIKE WE DID THIS LADY FOR THE VARIANCE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DOCUMENT THAT IT WAS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO OKAY, SO DO WE NEED TO LEAVE THE CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING OR WHAT WE NEED TO DO. WE STAY IN PUBLIC HEARING. IN PUBLIC MEETING. YES. [Additional Item] PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS THE NEXT TWO. WELL, THE NEXT ITEM IS REALLY AN FYI. IT IS IT SAYS ON THERE TO FOR REVIEW ONLY. THAT NEXT ITEM IS ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS AND CRYPTO FACILITIES. AND BASICALLY WE WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AT THE LAST BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING, THEY EXTENDED THE MORATORIUM ANOTHER 90 DAYS ON THE ON THE DATA CENTERS, WHICH THEN PUTS IT PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE CITY'S MORATORIUM. AND SO THEREFORE, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNTY, THE COMMISSIONERS EXTENDED THE MORATORIUM AND THAT THE STAFF AND MARK DE JANEIRO, WHO'S OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, WE ARE WORKING ON THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE TO BRING BACK BEFORE THOSE 90 DAYS END. BUT SO THIS IS AN FYI, LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONERS PUT ANOTHER MORATORIUM TO EXTEND IT, AND THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ATTORNEY TO COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE FOR IT. AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO WHO'S CREATING THEIR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE IN A MORATORIUM. WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE OUR ORDINANCE AND THEIR ORDINANCE COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER AND WORK TOGETHER. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? IT WAS JUST AN FYI OF KIND OF PAGE ONE. YOU'LL STILL HAVEN'T DECIDED ON A NUMBER OF ACRES TO LIMIT THIS TO YET. CORRECT. IT'S STILL IT'S WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, WHICH IS WHAT I SAID. YEAH. SO JUST ANY NUMBER FLOATING AROUND OR JUST WELL AGAIN IN FOR INSTANCE, COWETA COUNTY JUST I THINK IS VERY CLOSE TO FINALIZING THEIR ORDINANCE. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF WAITING TO SEE GOT NUMEROUS BUILDINGS GOING UP AND NOW THEY'RE DOING THEIR ORDINANCE. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHY THEY PUT A MORATORIUM TO STOP MORE OKAY. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT COWETA, WHICH IS ABOUT FINALIZED. I THINK COLUMBIA COUNTY JUST FINALIZED ONE. WE'RE REALLY TRYING. AND THEN SEE WHAT THE CITY AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES WHERE, OF COURSE, OUR JURISDICTION WILL TOUCH THE CITIES, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IF SOMEONE PICKS ONE OF THOSE SITES THAT OUR TWO ORDINANCE COMPLEMENT EACH OTHER AND WORK TOGETHER, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. OKAY. YES, SIR. HE'LL END UP IN THE CITY. YES. OKAY. AND WE WON'T STOP IT. SO. ALRIGHT. WELL THAT'S GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR FROM THE BOARD OR. ALL RIGHT. AS I SAID, IT WAS JUST AN FYI TO LET YOU KNOW. THE COMMISSIONERS EXTENDED THAT [VI. Text Amendments ] AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT. SO THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE UDO. WE SHOWED THESE I THINK THE LAST TWO MEETINGS, MAYBE JUST THE LAST ONE. AND THOSE WERE WE KNEW THOSE WERE KIND OF FYI, JUST LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM. THIS TODAY IS TO REVIEW THEM AGAIN AND THEN TO HOPEFULLY APPROVE THEM. THERE IS 1 OR 2 IN HERE THAT ARE BECAUSE OF STATE LAW THAT WE REALLY DO NEED TO TRY TO GET APPROVED IN DECEMBER BECAUSE STATE LAW DICTATES IT TOO. SO TO GO THROUGH THEM, I THINK ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS LAST TIME WAS WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYTHING IN RED. THAT WAS A CHANGE. AND MISS RUTH WENT BACK THROUGH AND I BELIEVE CORRECTED ALL THOSE. SO THE SECTION ONE, IF YOU HAVE SECTION ONE UP, JAMES. YES YOU [01:00:03] DO IS WHAT'S IN RED IS THESE THREE ITEMS WERE JUST ACCIDENTALLY LEFT OFF THAT WERE IN OUR OLD ORDINANCE, AND WE NEEDED TO PUT THEM IN ONCE WE REALIZED. SO WE'RE ADDING BACK IN COMMERCIAL LIVESTOCK AND HUNTING CLUB WITH LODGE AND ATHLETIC CLUB. THOSE ARE BEING ADDED BACK INTO OUR PERMITTED USE CHART AND DEFINITIONS FOR THEM TO. OKAY, SO WHAT IS THE DEFINITION FOR COMMERCIAL LIVESTOCK AND POULTRY? WELL, FOR THIS ONE IT'S IT IS PARTICULAR TO. THAT'S WHY THE COMMA SAYS POULTRY. THIS IS FOR CHICKEN HOUSES. SO THAT THAT'S WHY AFTER POULTRY IT DOESN'T SAY LIKE BEEF OR WHAT IS IT LIVESTOCK LIKE CATTLE. YEAH. THAT'S THE THAT IS CORRECT. THAT THAT'S THE WAY THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS WORDED BEFORE AND WE KEPT THE WORDING THE SAME. CHICKENS ARE LIVESTOCK, JUST A LITTLE LIVESTOCK. YEAH I UNDERSTAND, BUT BEEF IS TO MY QUESTION IS. WHY ARE THEY NOT PERMITTED ON AGRICULTURAL LAND. THE DIRECTION WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN GIVEN IS, IS THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ON LAND THAT WAS ZONED FOR A HEAVIER USE, AND THAT THEREFORE THOSE PARCELS WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS, BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE THAT YOU COULD PUT A CHICKEN HOUSE IN AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE MY LAND TO, TO INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S THAT WOULD BE A SPOT ZONING. YOUR REALITY IS RIGHT. THEY WOULDN'T GO IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. THE POINT WOULD BE IF IT WAS OUT ON LIBERTY HILL WANTED TO RAISE CHICKENS, YOU'D HAVE TO GO HAVE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURE, WHICH MAKES SENSE, TO INDUSTRIAL, WHICH WOULD BE A SPOT ZONING. AND AGAINST EVERYTHING WE DO. YES. AND THAT'S ALWAYS AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GIVEN. WHO GAVE YOU THESE DIRECTIONS? I'M GOING TO SAY THE. ERIC, IS THAT YOUR DIRECTION? ERIC I DON'T I'M NOT IN THIS DISCUSSION THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE A CHICKEN HOUSE. WHY SOMEBODY THAT HAS AGRICULTURAL LAND WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD. AND HOW BIG A CHICKEN HOUSE IS? IT DOESN'T MATTER. I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF YOU GOT. NO, THERE'S A DEFINITION THERE ON AGRICULTURE. YEAH, BUT AS MANY AS YOU WANT. IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL PROCESS. YEAH. IF I WANTED A CHICKEN HOUSE OF 50 CHICKENS, THERE'S A DEFINITION IN THERE FOR JUST LIKE YOUR, YOUR HOUSEHOLD PERSON WHO HAS. WELL, WHAT IS IT? I KIND OF REMEMBER IT BEING VERY LOW. LIKE A. YEAH. LIKE A TEN BY 20. YEAH. YEAH. SOMEONE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT NO MATTER WHERE BECAUSE IT'S JUST PERSONAL USE. I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT'S DEFINED IS IT'S PERSONAL USE VERSUS COMMERCIAL. I CAN TELL YOU THIS. I KNOW IN A LOT OF MEETINGS WE'VE BEEN AT IN THEIR PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT I HAVE HEARD A HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT. CHICKEN FARMS AND TROUP COUNTY. WELL, I BUT I CAN, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T MOVE INTO AN AGRICULTURE AREA, NOT EXPECT AGRICULTURE. PASTURES DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WELL, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE IF THEY COME UP WE REZONE IT TO, TO INDUSTRIAL AND MESS UP EVERYBODY'S IDEAS. WELL, YOU'D PROHIBIT SOMEBODY. AND THEN SECTION TWO IS THE MAYHEW WHERE WE WERE CHANGING SOME OF THE VERBIAGE JUST VERBIAGE PART. AND THEN THE MAIN THING WAS, IS THAT IT HAD TO BE FIVE ACRES OR MORE. SO THE WAY THIS WOULD LAY, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IT WOULD BE IN AG ONLY AND WITH FIVE ACRES OR MORE, SO NOT SMALL, NOT SMALLER PARCELS, IF YOU WILL, AND NOT IN MORE OF THE HIGHER DENSITY, SMALLER PARCELS. IT WOULD BE IN AG WHERE THE MINIMUM IN AG IS FIVE ACRES. AND SO THAT THAT THAT WAS SECTION TWO WAS DEFINING THAT AND DEFINING THAT IT HAS TO BE FIVE ACRES OR BIGGER. SECTION THREE. THAT WAS JUST ACTUAL TYPOS THAT WE WERE FIXING LETTERING AND NUMBERING AND TYPOS. AND THEN WE WERE ALSO ADDING THE FOLLOWING PROHIBITED RESIDENTIAL HOME OCCUPATIONS OF CRYPTO. SO THAT THAT'S WHAT SECTION THREE IS. SECTION FOUR. IT'S IN THE SIGNAGE PART OUR OUR SIGN ORDINANCE. AND SOMEONE CALLED ABOUT WHERE CAN YOU PUT A DIGITALLY CHANGING SIGN, ONE OF THOSE DIGITAL LIKE A TV LOOKING SIGN. AND WHEN WE WENT TO LOOK THAT UP, WE REALIZED THAT IT LEFT OUT THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL, THE LLC. SO WE ADDED THAT BACK IN THAT IT WAS ALLOWED IN LC. IT HAD BEEN LEFT. IT WAS IT WAS AN LC IN THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE AND SOMEHOW GOT LEFT OUT. SO AS [01:05:04] WE GET PHONE CALLS AND WE'RE TRYING TO ANSWER PEOPLE'S QUESTIONS, THIS IS WHERE WE FIND SOME OF THESE SMALL THINGS AND WE NEED TO GO BACK IN AND CORRECT THEM. SO IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE, IT WAS JUST ADDING BACK IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL FOR DIGITAL SIGNS IN SECTION FIVE. LET'S SEE FIVE. OH THIS IS IN THE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME. THIS WAS THIS IS IN THE SECTION OF HOW WE POST SIGNS AND DO PUBLIC NOTICES THAT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES IT NOW TO SAY 15 DAYS OR NO MORE THAN 45 DAYS FOR PUBLIC NOTICES AND SIGNS. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO CHANGE THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE TO COMPLY WITH STATE STATE LAW. NOW, SIGNS DON'T HAVE TO BE UP. BUT FOR 15 DAYS BEFORE A MEETING OR A HEARING. CORRECT. WELL, JUST BECAUSE THE VARIANCES WERE CHANGED BACK TO 30 A FEW YEARS AGO, NOW THEY'VE BEEN SHIFTED BACK TO THE WAY THE REST OF THEM ARE. SPECIAL USES AND REZONINGS ARE OKAY. SO THIS THE EFFECT OF THIS WAS JUST FOR VARIANCES. IT DIDN'T SAY THAT. BUT OKAY. THESE ARE THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS. CORRECT. RIGHT. WHICH IS WHAT A VARIANCE IS. YEAH. CORRECT. AND SO BASICALLY THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT ALL OF THEM, BE IT A REZONING, SPECIAL USE OR A VARIANCE, ALL COMPLY BY THE SAME PUBLIC NOTICE. SO THERE'S NOT TWO DIFFERENT LAWS. NOW, THE PART THAT YOU ASKED US LAST TIME WAS TO ADDRESS THE SIZE OF THE SIGNS AND MAKE IT MORE CLEAR SO THAT IT WASN'T JUST, SAY, AT THE DISCRETION OF THE STAFF. AND SO WE DID THAT AND WE CHANGED THAT. IF IT IS A REZONING OR A SPECIAL USE THAT IT HAS TO BE 48 BY 72, FOUR BY SIX FEET, AND THAT THEN IT ONLY IS THE SMALL SIGN IF IT'S THE VARIANCE OR QUASI JUDICIAL. SO WE DEFINED THAT MORE SPECIFIC AT YOUR REQUEST. AND THEN ALSO AS YOU SCROLL A LITTLE FURTHER IN THERE, WE ADDED ALSO THE FACT THAT IF IT'S LIKE A DEAD END STREET OR A SUBDIVISION, THAT THAT WE PLACE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS AND IT PUT IT IN OUR CODE THAT WE LIKE. IF YOU'RE IN A SUBDIVISION THAT HAD TWO ENTRANCES IN THE HOUSE, IT WAS IN THE BACK. THE ARGUMENT ALWAYS WAS PEOPLE WOULDN'T KNOW THAT SIGN WAS BACK THERE. AND SO NOW WE WOULD PUT IT AT THE TWO ENTRANCES SO THAT EVERYBODY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD GOING IN AND OUT WOULD KNOW THAT SOMETHING'S BEING ASKED BACK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD OR ON A DEAD END STREET, WHICH WE'VE HAD THAT BEFORE. SO THIS PUT IN WRITING IN OUR ORDINANCE OF OF THAT WE SHALL NOT MAY OR WHATEVER THAT WE SHALL PLACE THESE IN THOSE APPROPRIATE PLACES TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE NEARBY ARE AWARE OF IT. THAT WAS THAT Y'ALL'S REQUEST. GOOD. THEN IF YOU MOVE ON TO SIX. IT WAS A IT WAS A IT WAS AN ERROR IN THE UDO THAT SAID FINAL PLATS CAME TO THE BOARD OF ZONING. AND THAT WAS JUST AN ERROR BECAUSE FINAL PLATS GO TO THE COMMISSIONERS. SO THAT WAS JUST CHANGING AN ERROR. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THE FOUNDATION SURVEY. OH, SORRY, I MISSED THAT ONE. SORRY YOU CHANGED LAST MEETING FROM SHALL TO MAY. IT WAS MAY AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THAT WASN'T THE ORIGINAL INTENT. IT WAS JUST YOU GOT SOME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE BUILDING COMMUNITY THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT. SO YOU CHANGED SHALL TO ME THERE COMMISSIONERS THAT SOMEBODY DID. CORRECT. UNDERSTAND? WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WOULD BE A NEED FOR A BOUNDARY SURVEY AND WHEN THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. BUT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IS IN HIS DISCRETION OF WHEN THAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED. WHAT WOULD BE THE TRIGGER FOR THAT? FOR THE FOUNDATION SURVEY, IF IT WAS IN LIKE A PLATTED, YOU KNOW, A PLATTED SUBDIVISION, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, SMALLER LOTS, CLOSER TOGETHER, HIGHER DENSITY, WHERE THEN, IF, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING PERMIT IS FOR A HOUSE ON 20 ACRES AND THE SITE PLAN SHOWS IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF 20 ACRES, THEN YOU DON'T NEED ONE FOR THAT. WHY WOULDN'T WE, IN THAT CASE, REQUIRE ALL SUBDIVIDED LAND SUBDIVISIONS TO REQUIRE FOUNDATION SURVEYS AND ANYTHING LARGER THAN THAT WHERE WHEREAS WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF A PROPERTY LINE, WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER JURISDICTIONS AT BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THEY DID FOUNDATION SURVEYS, OR WE KNEW THEY AT LEAST DID SOME AND, AND THAT THE ONES THAT WERE CLOSEST TO US, LIKE CITY LAGRANGE AND SOME OTHERS THAT THEY WERE USING THIS TO, OR IT WAS IT WAS A MAY IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, BECAUSE EVEN THERE'S SOME UNPLATTED LIKE YOU COULD BE OUT IN AN AG SECTION WHERE THERE'S AN OLD PARCEL LEFT OVER THAT'S A ONE ACRE PARCEL. WE HAVE THOSE OUT IN VARIOUS PLACES WHERE IT'S NOT PART OF A SUBDIVISION. SO IF YOU WORDED IT AS LIKE PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS ONLY, WELL, THERE'S ALSO OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE VERY SMALL, VERY HIGH DENSITY THAT REALLY AREN'T PART OF A PLATTED SUBDIVISION. BUT ISN'T THE PURPOSE OF A ZONING ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE [01:10:03] SPECIFICITY AS TO WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO A CERTAIN THING, RATHER THAN JUST LEAVING IT TO THE SUBJECTIVE OPINION OF THE COMMUNITY? NO DISRESPECT MEANT ANY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR THAT HE MAY OR MAY NOT REQUIRE IT IN THIS LOCATION. THIS SEEMS TO ME THAT WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOME TRIGGERS FOR THAT. IS THERE NOT A MINIMUM FOOTAGE YOU COULD PUT IN THERE THAT ANY FOUNDATION WITHIN, YOU KNOW, SUCH SIZE? YEAH, SURE. I MEAN, WHAT IS MOST THERE'S NO DOUBT YOU COULD WRITE THIS A HUNDRED DIFFERENT WAYS. YEAH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, I GUESS. BACK TO THE BACK TO THE, EVEN THE, THE VARIANCE ARGUMENT OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LEARNED MANY, MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS, IT'S VERY HARD ON ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT THEN ACCOUNTS FOR EVERY SCENARIO, EVERY SITUATION, EVERY WHATEVER. THAT'S WHY THERE ARE VARIANCES. AND THAT'S WHY IN THIS CASE, THAT YOU COULD LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF TO, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY TO WRITE IT THAT MEETS EVERY CRITERIA, THEREFORE. BUT I THINK PEOPLE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO RULES. AND RATHER THAN JUST HAVING A SUBJECTIVE DECISION TO BE MADE BY AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY OR THE MUNICIPALITY, AND IT MIGHT SLIP BY THEM. SURE. AND AND THEN I GOTTA I'M WITH YOU. THE BOARD IS NOT GOING TO BE VERY OPEN TO A VARIANCE ON A HOUSE THAT'S BEEN BUILT WITHIN TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS AGO. YEAH, WE HAVE SEEM TO HAVE IT QUITE OFTEN AND IT'S WELL, IF IF IT'S THIS BOARD'S DECISION, WHICH IT IS, YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE. AND WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK, REWRITE IT, TRY TO COME UP WITH A MORE SPECIFIC NUMBER. I WELCOME YOUR INPUT. SEND ME AN EMAIL AND CALL ME WITH AN ACREAGE OR A DISTANCE OR, OR SOMETHING. AND WE CAN BRING THAT BACK AT A LATER DATE. WHAT IS THE IN A SUBDIVISION? WHAT IS THE SETBACK? DOES IT PEND ON ACREAGE OR IS IT DEPEND ON SIDE YARD AND TYPICALLY THE COUNTY'S 20 20FT? IT DEPENDS ON THAT. NOW WE ALSO HAVE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE PLATTED 30 YEARS AGO, SOME OF WHICH SANDY DID THAT. THOSE THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. IT DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU PLATTED IT, WHAT THE RULES WERE AT THAT TIME. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DID A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION RIGHT NOW, THEN IT'S BASED ON YOUR THE ZONING FOR THAT. LIKE IF IT'S SFWMD, IT SAYS, IT'S SAY 20 FOOT ON THE SIDE. SO MANY IN THE FRONT. SO BUT BUT THEN AGAIN A SUBDIVISION OUT IN AG HAS DIFFERENT SETBACKS. SO SO EVERY PLATTED SUBDIVISION HAS ITS OWN OWN SETBACK RULES DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ZONING IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONES WE'VE HAD HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THE BUILDER DIDN'T TAKE A TAPE MEASURE OUT THERE. OH, I AGREE WITH YOU. I BELIEVE ME, YOU'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR. YEAH. AND I WAS FINE WITH HAVING IT SAY THAT EVERYONE HAD TO HAVE A FOUNDATION SURVEY, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE GOT FEEDBACK ON. AND I DO UNDERSTAND IF IT'S 20, 50 ACRES OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND THEIR SITE PLAN SHOWS THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF 20 ACRES IS TOO OLD BUILDERS HERE, J YOU AND I AND WE AGREE WITH THE THOUGHT TO REQUIRE IT SAYING I'M OLD. NO, NO, YOU'RE JUST DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT YOU USED TO BE THAT. I USED TO BE THAT. I HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IT. I THINK IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT. BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY, WE OUGHT TO SPECIFY, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS OR SITUATIONS WHERE THERE IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THAT STRUCTURE BEING BUILT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. IS THERE SOMETHING LESS ONEROUS THAN SPENDING THE MONEY ON A SURVEY THAT COULD KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING? WELL, ONE OF THE INSPECTORS SHOULD BE OUT DOING HIS JOB, CHECKING THAT SOMETHING, SOMETHING REASONABLE. WELL, THE I WILL ARGUE WITH YOU ALL DAY ON THAT ONE THAT THAT ORDER THE ONLY WAY TO GET AN ACCURATE MEASUREMENT THEN FROM WHERE THEIR THEIR BATTER BOARD IS OR THEIR FORM BOARD IS, WHERE'S THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THEN SO THEN IF WE IF THE COUNTY OR ANY INSPECTOR GOES OUT TO A PROPERTY, THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR PROPERTY LINE SURVEYED. SO THEN IT STILL GOES BACK TO IN ORDER TO KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS, YOU ARE FORCED THEM TO DO A SURVEY. SO YOU'RE RIGHT BACK AT THE SAME POINT. THEN YOU RAISED THE FALSE HEIGHT SUBDIVISION. YOU SHOULD HAVE A GENERAL IDEA THAT SOMETHING IS EITHER WITHIN TOLERANCE OR NOT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO THAT THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS AND WE GET ARGUMENTS ALL THE TIME BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORS ARGUING ABOUT WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS, AND THEY HIRE A SURVEYOR TO COME OUT THERE, AND SURVEYOR PUTS WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS, AND BOTH OF THEM ARE LIKE, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THE PROPERTY LINE WAS THERE. BUT A WEEK, A WEEK BEFORE THEY SWORE TO GOD THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS, PERHAPS IN SUBDIVISION IN LIEU OF THE FOUNDATION SURVEY, THAT LOTS WILL BE DEVELOPED AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES YEARS BEFORE THEY'RE SOLD. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THOSE LINES DISAPPEAR. YEP. THAT THAT THE BUILDER IS REQUIRED TO REESTABLISH THAT LINE, CUT IT, FLAG IT, STAKE IT. [01:15:07] SO YOU HAVE A KNOWN POINT THAT YOU CAN PULL OFF OF THE INSPECTOR OR. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THAT'S BACK TO THE POINT. IF THE INSPECTOR REALLY KNEW FOR SURE WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS, COULD THEY DO THAT? ABSOLUTELY. BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE NO IDEA REALLY WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, HAVING THEM PROVIDE THE IT FLAGGED OR STAKED, THEN YOU'RE STILL PAYING FOR THE SAME THING THAT A FOUNDATION SURVEY WOULDN'T BE QUITE AS EXPENSIVE, I DON'T THINK. YES. AND BACK TO YOUR POINT TOO. I CAN TELL YOU, LIKE OUR BIGGER BUILDERS HERE IN TOWN, THAT BUILD IN A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS THAT I MEAN, THEY BUILD IN COWETA AND FAYETTE AND AUBURN, OPELIKA, HARRIS COUNTY, THEY ARE 100% USED TO DOING A FOUNDATION SURVEY. THEY DON'T EVEN BLINK AN EYE. YOU TELL THEM YOU GOT TO HAVE A THEY DON'T BLINK AN EYE AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WE DO THAT ANYWAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE PROTECTING THEIR OWN REAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT AGAIN? THE FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS IT'S NOT FAIR FOR THEM. IF I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING ON MY PROPERTY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SUBDIVISION. I GOT A SUBDIVISION, BUT I GOT 16 ACRES, I THINK I KNOW YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE. I KNOW WHERE MY PROPERTY LINES AT. YEAH, WELL, 98% OF ALL THE REST OF THE PUBLIC DON'T REALLY GET IT. BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO REQUIRE ME TO SPEND EXTRA MONEY FOR SOMETHING I DON'T NEED TO. WHEN I KNOW WHERE MY PROPERTY LINES ARE. I THINK WE OUGHT TO JUST LEAVE IT AS MAY, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING INTO A LOT OF THIS. SHALL IS COULD BE A LITTLE GOVERNMENT OVERREACH, AND WE WILL COUNT ON OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR TO HANDLE THIS CORRECTLY. AND IF HE DOESN'T, WE'LL WE'LL CHANGE IT DOWN THE ROAD. WE'LL KNOW WE WON'T GET A NEW ONE. WE'RE TIRED OF BREAKING IN NEW ONES. WE KEEP TRAINING THEM AND THEN THEY LEAVE. AND YOU QUIT ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS. WE COULD NOT HAVE TO. AND THEN THE REST OF WHAT WAS IN THE PACKET AFTER THIS ONE IS JUST THE. IT'S THE ACTUAL, LIKE, FINAL VERBIAGE OF WHAT IT TAKES FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO ADOPT IT. IT TOOK THE READ OUT. BASICALLY, IT TAKES THE READ OUT THAT YOU ASKED TO SEE THE READ ALL. THIS IS WHERE THE REDS GONE, I APPRECIATE WELL, NOW THIS STILL HAS RED IN IT. DOES IT? YEAH. I GUESS THE MANUFACTURED HOME DID. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH IT'S STILL IN BUT IT'S IN MORE OF THE LEGALITIES WAY THAT BECAUSE THEN IT'S A RESOLUTION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS THAT CHANGES THE ORDINANCE. THE RED IS STILL IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT WE WILL TAKE THAT OUT BEFORE THE MEETING, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RUTH WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY SAID THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMISSIONERS, THE RED HAS TO BE OUT OF THE RESOLUTION, RIGHT OR WRONG. BUT NO, I THINK ONCE ONCE IT'S BEEN DONE AND WE SEE IT AND WE VOTE ON IT AND MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION, AS LONG AS THEY ACCEPT OUR RECOMMENDATION, THEN WE'RE TAKE THE RED OUT OR THROW IT OUT OUR RECOMMENDATION. BUT BUT SO I CAN PULL THIS THING OUT AND SAVE IT. AND THIS IS WHAT I CAN GO ON. AND I I'M NOT GOING TO SAY I'M NOT GOING TO TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH SANDY. I MEAN, IF THEY WANT IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING THERE, BUT LIMIT IT TO LIKE A FIVE ACRE TRACT, I'M GOOD WITH THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. WHEN YOU GOT TEN ACRES, 15 ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S STILL UP TO HIM. I MEAN, I CAN BRING MY PLAN IN AND SHOW SHOW HIM, AND HE CAN STILL REQUIRE ME TO DO IT, BUT HE HAS OPTION NOT TO IF IT LOOKS LIKE MY BUILDINGS IN A SUITABLE PLACE. SO, I MEAN, IF Y'ALL FEEL LIKE THAT PART NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSING MORE, I'M GOOD WITH DISCUSSING IT SOME MORE. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S MY OPINION THAT IF SOMETHING COMES IN AND I SEE IT TO WHERE IT'S CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE, YES, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO REQUIRE A FOUNDATION REGARDLESS IF IT'S 28 OR 30 ACRES. IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT ON THAT PROPERTY LINE, I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU MEET SETBACKS. YOU CAN YOU SEND YOUR INSPECTOR OUT THERE AND SAY, GO MEASURE THIS. YOU DEFINITELY COULD DO THAT. THAT PLACES THE LIABILITY ON THE COUNTY. WHEREAS IF YOU GET A FOUNDATION SURVEY, TAKES THE LIABILITY ON THE INDIVIDUAL SIGNING OFF ON THAT FOUNDATION SURVEY STAMP, THIS LICENSED AND LICENSED ENGINEER, LICENSED SURVEYOR THAT STAMPS THAT PAPER AND SAYS, I CERTIFY THAT THIS IS WHERE IT'S AT AND IT'S BLANKED OFF. AND IF IT'S RIGHT THERE, THE LIABILITY, IT'S BUILT IN THE WRONG PLACE THAN HIS INSURANCE IS ON THE MOVE. DON'T MOST FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS REQUIRE FOUNDATION SURVEY TODAY? I YEAH IT'S IT'S COMMON. VERY COMMON. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE FIGHTING THIS. THEY'RE NOT VERY SOMEBODY IS WE'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT VERY COSTLY TO THE THE OVERALL $2,000 TO A TO A CONTRACTOR IS YOU'RE BUILDING A 300 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS HOUSE. OH YOU TALK TO A CONTRACTOR THAT THAT'S GOING TO HE CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE WITHOUT EXTRA EXPENSE. THEY DON'T WANT TO. THEY AND ALL THESE OTHER. NO NO NO NO IT'S CRYING THE BLUES. THE MORE [01:20:07] GROWTH, THE MORE DENSITY THAT YOU SEE, THE GREATER NEED FOR THAT TO BE REQUIRED. RIGHT. SO IT'S DEFINITELY MORE SO IN THE CITIES WHERE THEY HAVE HIGHER DENSITY THAN IT'S ALMOST A NECESSITY. DOES THE CITY OF LAGRANGE REQUIRE FOUNDATION SURVEY? THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES I CALLED. AND AND IT IS A MAY A MAY REQUIREMENT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE NEED A MOTION ON HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE. DO DO WE NEED TO ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS HERE. I GUESS WE DO. YES. SORRY. THANK YOU. I FIGURED IF SOMEBODY WAS THEY WOULD HAVE. OH YOU'RE RIGHT. WE'RE STILL IN PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S CORRECT. PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THESE? WELL, COME ON UP AND TELL US WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE. MY NAME IS KATHY KNIGHT, AND I AM A CITIZEN OF TROUP COUNTY. AND I LOOKED OVER MOST OF THIS PACKET, AND I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE THE UDDO THAT YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON. I AM IN FAVOR OF PROPERTY LINE SURVEYS AND FOUNDATION SURVEYS. I THINK IT JUST ELIMINATES A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR MESSES LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD. SO THAT'S ONE OF MY COMMENTS. I WASN'T PLANNING ON SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, BUT GOOD DISCUSSION. THE OTHER THING, AND I, I KIND OF GOT FROM WHAT YOU SAID TODAY, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING AND THE AMOUNT OF LAND THAT THEY CAN BE PUT ON. I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT THAT YOU CONSIDER THE MANUFACTURED HOMES AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WAS SURPRISED THAT YOU HAD TO PUT THEM ON FIVE ACRES, THOUGH, AND I SAW THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER AREA CALLED AGAR THAT SHOULD YOU COULD WAS ONLY TWO ACRES, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MANUFACTURED HOMES COULDN'T BE PUT ON THAT TWO ACRES INSTEAD OF THE FIVE. AND MAYBE THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, PER WHAT'S PER WHAT'S WRITTEN THAT YOU THAT'S HERE, THEN IT WOULD ONLY BE AG ZONED AG WITH FIVE ACRES. OKAY, WELL I WOULD I WOULD THINK THAT SINCE THIS IS CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT THE FIVE ACRES MIGHT BE A REAL STUMBLING POINT FOR SOME PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAYBE RECONSIDER THAT IF YOU COULD CHANGE IT TO A SMALLER ACREAGE. AND. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE UDO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS, THOUGH? JUST JUST ONE THING. IT'S EASY. WE. YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. RIGHT. I READ WHAT YOU HAD THERE, AND I'M VERY ENCOURAGED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE CITY AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES TO TO GET THAT TOGETHER. AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT IT GOT EXTENDED AS WELL. THE DEFINITION FOR DATA CENTER, THOUGH, I THINK THAT NEEDS A LITTLE MORE WORK ON IT, BECAUSE THE EXAMPLE I'VE BEEN GIVEN IS THAT A DATA CENTER IS NOT JUST A DATA CENTER. AS YOU'VE POINTED OUT WITH THE CRYPTO DATA CENTERS. BUT I KNOW THE GOOGLE DATA CENTER THAT WE'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW IS CERTAINLY NOT LIKE THE DATA CENTER THAT CITY LAGRANGE HAS FOR THEIR PERSONAL USE. SO I THINK MAYBE THAT DEFINITION IS GOING TO NEED A LITTLE WORK ON IT. AND THAT'S IT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME TALK TODAY. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING MEETING. IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE COME AND SEEN YOU ALL WORKING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST. AND IT'S IT'S A HARD JOB. I CAN SEE THAT. IT REALLY IS. SO THANK YOU A LOT THOUGH. WHAT? OH YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR ORDINANCE? PROPOSED ORDINANCE CHANGES, HEARING NONE. SEEING NONE FROM THE BOARD OR IN THE PUBLIC. DO WE NEED. NO, WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A MOTION ON THIS. MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ALL THE TEXT AMENDMENTS PROVIDED EXCEPT FOR THE FOUNDATION SURVEY. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT WE CAN. YOU GOT TO GET PERMISSION. WE GOT TO DO [01:25:01] OKAY. WE GOTTA DEAL WITH HIS. OR YOU CAN ASK HIM IF HE CAN AMEND HIS. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO AMEND HIS ONCE HE GETS THROUGH. OKAY. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ALSO TABLE THE CLARIFICATION ON POULTRY SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN AGRICULTURE. SHOULD BE INCLUDED. OKAY. SO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE THE WE'VE GOT TWO BASICALLY TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS HERE. THEN DO WE NEED TO TAKE THOSE AS TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS PARLIAMENTARY I THINK SO BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO HE WANTS TO CHANGE IT TO LET'S SAY HE'S WILLING TO CHANGE THAT UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO ADD HIS MOTION TO YOUR MOTION. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADD IT TO MY MOTION. OKAY. SO YOUR MOTION WOULD THEN BE TO CHANGE THE WITH MAY TO SHALL IN THE FOUNDATION SURVEY. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T I DIDN'T MEAN THAT I'M EITHER IT CHANGED THE SHALL OR WE COME UP WITH SPECIFIC DEFINITIVE DEFINITIVE DEFINITION OF ACREAGE AND PROXIMITY TO LINES WHEN THERE MAY BE A CHANCE. I THINK WHAT SANDY'S MOTION WAS WAS, SORRY IF I'M PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH WITH THE CHANGE WAS WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENTS. EXCEPT FOR NOT APPROVING THE POULTRY ONE AND THEN NOT APPROVING THE FOUNDATION SURVEY ONE, BUT APPROVE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THE TABLE THOSE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND FOR US TO COME BACK WITH YOU WITH BETTER LANGUAGE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. APPROVE EVERYTHING ELSE. DON'T GET INTO THE WEEDS OF WHAT WE WANT IN IT. YOU WILL CUT THE WEEDS DOWN AND GIVE US BACK SOMETHING ELSE TO LOOK AT. I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROVED. ALL THE TEXT AMENDMENTS AS IS, EXCEPT TABLE, THE POULTRY AND TABLE THE FOUNDATION SURVEY. SO MOVED. GOT A MOTION. MOTION. SECOND, HE'S GOT A MOTION MADE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SECTION. ACCORDING TO THE POULTRY HOUSES AND THE FOUNDATION LINE SURVEYS. AND WE HAVE A SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. NOW, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND I GUESS THIS IS RUTH SAID WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, OR THAT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION. THE TWO THAT WE TABLED DIDN'T FALL UNDER THAT. SO WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN RUTH ALL THE OTHERS. SO YEAH, THE TWO THAT WE TABLED DON'T THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A TIMELINE OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW I'VE GOT A QUESTION I NEED TO ASK ABOUT. AND BECAUSE WE, THIS YOUNG LADY MADE ME THINK OF IT AGAIN IS WHERE ARE OUR OPERATING GUIDELINES FOR THIS BOARD? WE I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT SAYS WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS. IF WE GET THIS SIDE VERSUS THAT SIDE, WE GET 20 PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE. HOW MANY MINUTES DO I LOT EACH PERSON TO TALK? AND BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING THESE YOUTUBE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING CRAZY AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SIT HERE, YOU'VE HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES AND 30S SHUT UP TYPE SITUATIONS. WHAT IS OUR AND WE NEED IT IN WRITING. IT'S IT'S IN THE ZONING OR IT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. IT WAS IN THE OLD ZONING ORDINANCE. AND I HAVEN'T READ EVERY MEMORIZED EVERY PAGE, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU AND I'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND I'LL BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING WHERE IF YOU COULD JUST SHOOT ME AN EMAIL THAT SAYS, HERE IT IS. AND I USED TO PRINT THAT OUT SOME BACK IN THE DAY. I REMEMBER THAT WE NEED A PRINTED COPY OF THAT HERE, MAYBE RIGHT, FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT OR IF WE CAN BRING IT UP, KNOW WHERE IT IS SO WE CAN PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN. WE USED TO PUT A COPY BACK IN THE DAY ON THE TABLE. YES, I THINK HAD ONE UP HERE, I JUST AND IT WAS A TIME IT WAS LIKE FIVE MINUTES PER SIDE. YEAH. PER IS THAT PER SIDE OR PER PERSON. PER SIDE IS WHAT I THINK IT'S. SO HOW DO YOU IF YOU GOT TEN PEOPLE OVER HERE AND FIVE. WE NEED TO ELECT SOMEBODY. ARE THEY GOING TO DO WE HAVE TO SAY YOU ELECT SOMEBODY TO TALK. AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL THAT DOESN'T GET ELECTED IN THE BACK IS GOING TO SAY, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I WANT MY OWN FIVE MINUTES TIME. NO, I MEAN, THAT'S WELL, WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT'S IN THERE AND THEN LET'S SEE WHAT'S IN THERE. AND BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO I THINK THIS DATA CENTER THING IS BRINGING A LOT OF ATTENTION. AND I'VE NOTICED IN POST IT'S WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THERE WATCHING AND THIS AND THAT. AND IF ONE SIDE SAYS THAT, THE OTHER IS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET IN THE MIDDLE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALWAYS ARE. BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT MY REGULATIONS ARE AND HOW I AM SUPPOSED TO. OR THE CHAIRMAN. YES. SO MEETING PROCEDURES I'LL SEND YOU PROCEDURES ON THAT. WE'LL SEND YOU THAT. WE'VE BEEN PRETTY LOOSE ON IT IN THE PAST. YES, BUT I THINK IT ACTUALLY DOES SAY IN THERE TOO THAT THEN THE CHAIRMAN, HE'S HE'S IN CHARGE OF THE MEETING. YOU ARE. I KNOW, BUT I WON'T. BUT I THINK IT [01:30:04] ACTUALLY SAYS THE CHAIRMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO DEVIATE FROM THOSE PROCEDURES. YEAH. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO GET TAKEN OUT ON A PITCHFORK, SO. BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW FOR ME OR THE NEXT CHAIRMAN, WHOEVER WHAT THEY'RE LIMITATIONS ARE. YES, WE'VE RUN INTO THAT IN SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS MEETINGS. I DON'T THINK I REMEMBER ONE IN THIS BOARD. I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER HAD ONE HERE THAT I REMEMBER. BUT TIMES ARE CHANGING. PEOPLE ARE CHANGING. THEY'RE GETTING MORE BELLIGERENT. THEY'RE GETTING MORE SELFISH. THEY'RE MORE GETTING MORE, YOU KNOW, VOCAL. YOU'RE DESCRIBING SANDY. HE'S OKAY. HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS HEARING AIDS ON. HE CAN'T HEAR YOU. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WOULD LIKE THAT BROUGHT UP THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FOLLOWING OUR OWN OPERATING PROCEDURES. YES, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT, SEND A COPY OUT. WE'LL SEND IT TO THE WHOLE BOARD. THANK YOU. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN WANT MY THE BOARD TURNING AGAINST ME, SAYING, LET HIM TALK FOR THREE MINUTES AND 10S. SO. OKAY, WE NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES. SO MOVED. SECOND. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO APPROVE AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED MOTION TO ADJOURN HAS BEEN RAISED, SECONDED AND APPROVED. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS, EVERYBODY. MERRY CHRISTMAS. HAPPY NEW YEAR. WE'LL SEE YOU IN 2026. BELIEVE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.