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ALRIGHT. WE'RE READY. IT'S 10:00. I'M. GAVELING THE MEETING INTO ORDER OF THE
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THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH, 2025. REGULAR MEETING. BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND PLANNING COMMISSION. SO CALL TO ORDER ANNOUNCEMENTS. THE NEXT BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND PLANNING[II. Announcements]
COMMISSION MEETING WILL BE HELD ON DECEMBER 11TH AT 10 A.M. THE NEXT BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING TO HEAR THOSE ITEMS THAT WAS HEARD IN OCTOBER. OCTOBER IS ON DECEMBER 2ND AT 5 P.M. THE. REZONING FOR THE CELL TOWER WAS CONTINUED UNTIL THE 21ST OF THIS MONTH, AND THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS ON THERE WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. THAT'S ALL THE[III. Approve the Final Agenda]
ANNOUNCEMENTS I HAVE. ALRIGHT, I'M GOING TO BREAK IT UP. APPROVE. WE NEED TO APPROVE TODAY'S FINAL AGENDA. IF EVERYBODY'S LOOKED AT IT. SO MOVED. SECOND. MOTION IS MADE AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY LOOKED[IV.1. Board of Zoning Appeals & Planning Commission - Regular Meeting - Oct 9, 2025 10:00 AM]
OVER THE MEETING'S MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING. WE NEED TO APPROVE THOSE, SO I NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. MOTIONS MADE AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. WE NEED TO MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I NEED A MOTION TO GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED. SECOND.MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED TO MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE NOW IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHOEVER'S DOING WHAT? YEP.
[V.A.1. Rezoning - Timothy Stamp - 1462 New Franklin Rd (APN 0621D000099) 1st Reading - Vote Eligible]
THAT'S ME. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU IS A REZONING REQUEST. AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE STAFF REPORT. THE NAME IS TIMOTHY. THE APPLICANT IS TIMOTHY STAMPER, NOT TIMOTHY STAMP. AND THAT'S AT 1462 NEW FRANKLIN ROAD. IT IS A FIRST READING AND IT IS VOTE ELIGIBLE. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE REZONING OF A 1.1 ACRE PARCEL FROM SUBURBAN, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO LIMITED COMMERCIAL. AND IT IS A REZONING REQUEST AND THE APPLICANT IS TIMOTHY STAMPER, 1462 NEW FRANKLIN ROAD. IT IS 1.1 ACRES, AND THE CURRENT USE IS COMMERCIAL AND THE PROPOSED USE IS COMMERCIAL. THE CHARACTER AREA MAP SHOWS THIS AREA AS STRATEGIC DEVELOPMENT. THE NOTICE WAS PLACED IN THE PAPER AND THE SIGN WAS POSTED. WE DID RECEIVE ONE CALL. THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS AND THE REQUEST IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE REZONING OF A 1.1 ACRE PARCEL FROM SUBURBAN, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO LIMITED COMMERCIAL. THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY CONSISTS OF SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE LOT SIZES WITH A MIXTURE OF USES SUCH AS LIMITED COMMERCIAL, HIGHWAY, COMMERCIAL, SUBURBAN, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL. THE STANDARDS GOVERNING THE EXERCISE OF ZONING POWER. IN REVIEWING THE APPLICATION OF A PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR SHALL CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS FOR RECOMMENDATION AND DECISIONS, AS APPLICABLE. WHETHER PROPOSED REZONING WILL PERMIT A USE THAT IS SUITABLE IN VIEW OF THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED USE OF THIS PROPERTY WILL REMAIN SUITABLE FOR THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. WHETHER PROPOSED REZONING WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT THE EXISTING USE OR USABILITY OF ADJACENT OR NEARBY PROPERTIES, PROPOSED REZONING WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE EXISTING USE OR USABILITY OF ADJACENT AND NEARBY PROPERTIES. WHETHER THE PROPERTY TO BE AFFECTED BY PROPOSED REZONING HAS REASONABLE ECONOMIC USES. CURRENTLY ZONED. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A COMMERCIAL USE. WHETHER THE PROPOSED REZONING WILL RESULT IN A USE THAT WILL OR COULD CAUSE AN EXCESSIVE OR BURDENSOME USE OF EXISTING ROADS OR STREETS, INCLUDING THE VOLUME AND NATURE OF RESULTING TRAFFIC CHANGES, TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, UTILITIES OR SCHOOLS. THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT CAUSE AN EXCESSIVE OR BURDENSOME USE OF EXISTING ROADS OR STREETS, INCLUDING THE VOLUME AND NATURE OF RESULTING TRAFFIC CHANGES, TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, UTILITIES, OR SCHOOLS. WHETHER THE PROPOSED REZONING IS IN CONFORMITY WITH THE POLICIES AND INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, REZONING THE PARCEL WILL CONFORM WITH THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHETHER THERE ARE OTHER EXISTING OR CHANGING CONDITIONS AFFECTING THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY THAT GIVE SUPPORTING GROUNDS FOR EITHER APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REZONING. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN COMMERCIALLY USED SINCE 2020, BUT IT IS TECHNICALLY COMMERCIAL USE. WHETHER AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, THE REZONING OF[00:05:02]
THE SUBJECT PARCELS WOULD NOT RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. THE FEASIBILITY OF SERVING THE PROPERTY OF PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER SERVICE, AND THE IMPACTS OF SUCH ON THE COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE IS NOT CURRENT INTENT TO SERVE THE RESULTING PARCEL OF SEWER SERVICE. THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IF THE REZONING APPLICATION IS APPROVED, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. APPLICANT MUST OBTAIN ANY NECESSARY BUILDING PERMITS AND BUSINESS LICENSES, ALONG WITH REQUIRED SITE PLAN, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT ALL JAKE? YEP. OKAY.ANY QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANYBODY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF OR FOR THE APPLICANT. IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT THIS PARCEL IS A VET CLINIC. YES. YES SIR YES, SIR. YEAH.
YEAH. HALE SHELNUT. YEAH. AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE ZONED COMMERCIAL, BUT IT WAS OPERATED AND USED AS COMMERCIAL FOR ALL THOSE YEARS AS A PARKING LOT, AS ANYTHING COMMERCIAL WOULD.
AND THEN IT SHUT DOWN FIVE YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER, EIGHT YEARS AGO. AND. SO THE NEW BUYER, NEW TENANT WANTS TO JUST MAKE SURE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. ANY. NO BUILDING PERMITS APPLIED FOR. NOT YET. OKAY. IF THEY TRY TO EXPAND OR DO SOMETHING THEN THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS. YEAH, SURE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.
HEARING NONE. I NEED TO ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OR AGAINST THIS REZONING. SEE? NONE OPPOSED. SO ONE QUESTION. YOU GOT A QUESTION? YOU SAID YOU DID HAVE ONE CALL. YES. IT WAS JUST QUESTIONING. THEY THEY WEREN'T OPPOSED. THEY WERE JUST QUESTIONING THE REZONING. OKAY. THANK YOU. RIGHT. MR. OLUKOLU, THAT'S IT.
ALRIGHT. SO HAVING HEARD THE REPORT AND NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON HOW WE'D LIKE TO HANDLE THIS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE HAS BEEN MADE. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES. Y'ALL GET YOUR REZONING. Y'ALL DON'T NEED TO HANG AROUND UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO SEE. THE NEXT APPLICATION ON THE
[V.B.1. Preliminary Plat Review - Tate Estates - J S Liechty Land LLC - SR 18 HWY - 0560 000013 Review Only]
LIST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A MAJOR SUBDIVISION. IT IS SUBMITTED BY THE LEAK LAND, LLC COMPANY. WE HAVE THE REPRESENTATIVE HERE. IT IS LOCATED ON HIGHWAY 18. IT IS BETWEEN DRUMMOND ROAD WEST, DRUMMOND ROAD AND HIGHWAY 18. ALL OF THE DRIVEWAYS ARE EXTERNAL. THE LOTS ARE 2.1 ACRE TO 15.4 ACRES. THERE WILL BE SERVED BY WELL AND SEPTIC, AND IT DOES MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR ORDINANCE. IT IS THE FIRST READING AND IT IS VOTE ELIGIBLE. WHO IS THE DEVELOPER? J.S. LAND? NO. HE'S SHOWN UP AS THE OWNER'S NAME, BUT THE DEVELOPER IS. SORRY, CAMERON. CAMERON BYERS, DOES HE OWN THE LAND? MR. CAMERON. MR. MR. CAMERON, COME UP TO YOU. COME ON UP. YEAH. WHO ARE YOU? OKAY, I'M THE AGENT REPRESENTING JESSE. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSIONER. LAST YOU SAID INFORMATION COMMENT, FYI, AND THEY HAVE NO COMMENT OR NO RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I GOT A QUESTION. IS THAT YOU SAID THE WEST DRUM, THE DIRT ROAD. IS THAT DIRT ROAD, MR. DIRT ROAD. OKAY. WEST DRUM IS PAVED THE WAY TO WHERE IT TERMINATES. OH, OKAY. I FIGURED IT OUT. SOMEBODY IN THE LATE TEENS. OKAY. AND BASICALLY ALL OF THE DRIVEWAYS. SO YOU UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO BE ON HIGHWAY 18 AND ON THE PAVED PORTION, WHICH IS WEST DRUMMOND COUNTY ROADS. OH OKAY. SO.[00:10:10]
WHAT'S THE PRICE RANGE OF THESE LOTS GOING TO BE. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO AVERAGE AROUND 12,000 ACRES YOU KNOW PARCELS. AND ARE YOU ALL GOING TO BE THE BUILDER OR ARE YOU JUST OKAY. OKAY. I'M ASSUMING ALL THE ROAD FRONTAGE WORKS THAT RIGHT. OR YOU'D HAVE QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. LET ME PUT THAT UP FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO COMPLY WITH ALL THE ALL THE LOT SIZE. I HATE THIS DRIVEWAY REQUIREMENTS AND SO FORTH. THERE WE GO. NOT ASKING FOR ANY. NO VARIANCES OR ANYTHING. NO VARIANCES. NO. THAT KIND OF. NO, SIR. TRICKERY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE TERM.HERE. ALRIGHT. SO NO MORE QUESTIONS. NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE OTHER THAN YOU. SO NOBODY'S HERE TO OPPOSE IT. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION APPROVED. SECOND MOTION.
MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO APPROVE AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE. ON HERE, WHERE IT SAYS THE TEXT AMENDMENT IS DRAFT FOR REVIEW ONLY. IT ACTUALLY SHOULD BE FOR. FIRST READING VOTE ELIGIBLE. SO WE'LL WE'LL CHANGE THAT ON THE AGENDA AND MAKE IT CORRECT. SO. THE FIRST TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WE
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HAD WAS TO THE. I HAVE IT WENT BACKWARDS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THE. THE DATA ENTRY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN AT THE END. WE WERE GOING TO WORK ON THE ONES WITH THE HOME OCCUPATION AND THE PERMITTED USE CHART AND ALL OF THAT FIRST. SO SKIP OVER THE SKIP OVER THE DATA CENTER THAT IT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO GO TO PACKET PAGE. GO TO PAGE 30 OKAY. OKAY. SO THE PERMITTED USE CHART THERE ARE 2 OR 3 ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED BACK ON. THAT WAS A WAS LEFT OUT. THE FIRST ONE WAS THE COMMERCIAL LIVESTOCK RAISING WHICH IS POULTRY. SO WE PUT IT BACK IN. IT ALWAYS WAS IN WHAT PAGE ARE WE ON NOW? WE ARE ON PAGE 31. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE ADD IN THESE BACK IN THERE WERE ALWAYS IN THIS ONE WAS ALWAYS IN LIMITED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. THE AGRI TOURISM SLASH RURAL TOURISM USE. WE ADD HUNTING CLUB WITH LODGE THAT WAS LEFT OFF. IT WAS ALWAYS PERMITTED IN AG AND AG AND THE LAST ONE WAS THE ATHLETIC SLASH HEALTH CLUB. AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT IS NOW IN LIMITED COMMERCIAL HEAVY COMMERCIAL SUBURBAN VILLAGE. URBAN VILLAGE ZONINGS. AND THE NEXT ONE THAT WE MADE A CHANGE TO, IF YOU KEEP GOING DOWN, THAT WOULD BE THE MANUFACTURED HOUSING UNIT. AND IN SUBSECTION ONE E OF SECTION B 7.9 WE AMENDED E. IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 33 AT THE VERY TOP, WE AMENDED E TO ADD, EVEN THOUGH IT IS PERMITTED IN AG ZONING DISTRICT, WE WE DID NOT PUT ON THERE FOR LOTS ON FIVE ACRES OR MORE, AND IT IS STILL NEED TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TO GET APPROVAL. SO IT'LL BE COMING THROUGH TO YOU AND THEN GOING TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TO GET APPROVAL. AND THAT IS IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL. BUT THIS IS THE ONLY CHANGE WE'RE MAKING IS ADDING ONLY IN AGRICULTURE OR ONLY IN AGRICULTURE OR FIVE ACRES OR[00:15:02]
MORE ANYWHERE, ONLY IN AGRICULTURE, ON FIVE ACRES OR MORE. OKAY. SO ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT, IF IT'S A NEW PLACEMENT, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN NEW PLACEMENT. SO MOBILE HOMES THAN THAT ONE SIR. IF LESS THAN FIVE ACRES IN AGRICULTURAL. NO. OR IT'S A NO IT'S A NO OKAY. YES. IT IS NOT PERMITTED. SO THERE'S NOT A THEY CAN'T REQUEST A VARIANCE VARIANCE TO DO IT. THERE'S NO VARIANCE FOR THAT ONE. SO WHY AFTER ALL OF THESE YEARS OF APPROVING MOBILE HOMES, IN SOME CASES WHERE I DON'T BELIEVE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN, IT, HAS THE COUNTY TAKEN A STRONGER STANCE BECAUSE OF TAXES WHEN IT STARTED IN WHEN IT STARTED DOING THE UDO IN 2018, THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT WAS IT WAS ACTUALLY IN THERE FOR SOME REASON, THIS LANGUAGE DID NOT CROSS OVER WHEN WE DID THE FINAL. SO IT WAS ALWAYS THERE SINCE 2018 THAT THEY WANTED IT ON THE FIVE ACRES AND AG ONLY. AND SO IT TOOK US FIVE ACRES TO CORRECT THAT, AND WE DIDN'T DO IT DURING THE THE SIX YEARS WE DID THE UDO, IT WAS IN THE LANGUAGE. THE LANGUAGE DIDN'T CROSS OVER. I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LANGUAGE, BUT IT WAS IN THERE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL NOW IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A HOME ON FIVE ACRES. WILL THEY STILL BECOME BEFORE US AND THE COMMISSIONERS FOR A VOTE? IT IS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IT MUST COME THROUGH, AND THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE FINAL SAY. SO IN THEIR 5.1 ACRES, THEY STILL COME AND ASK FOR A MOBILE HOME PERMIT, EVEN IF IT'S ON 100 ACRES, THEY STILL GOTTA COME REGARDLESS. YES, SIR. OKAY. ANYTHING OVER FIVE FIVE AND I SHOULDN'T SAY OVER FIVE, FIVE AND OVER. IF IT'S LESS THAN FIVE, IT'S NOT PERMITTED. IF YOU GOT A TWO ACRE AGRICULTURAL LOT, YOU CAN'T PUT A MOBILE HOME ON IT. YEAH. SO WHAT HAVE WE BEEN TRAVELING UNDER IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF LOT SIZE AND DESIGNATED ZONING AREA? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WHERE WE HAVE ALLOWED PERMITTED MOBILE HOME PRIOR TO THIS? IT WAS IN ALL RESIDENTIAL. AS LONG AS IT MET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THERE'S PLENTY OF THEM OUT THERE. AND THEN ANY RESIDENTIAL LAKESIDE, ANY RESIDENT. THERE ARE SOME SUBDIVISIONS THAT DID NOT ALLOW FOR IT, BUT BASICALLY IT BOILS DOWN TO THAT SUBDIVISION. I MEAN, A MANUFACTURED HOME CAN GO ONTO ANY PARCEL AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. WITH APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF ZONING AND THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. OKAY. YEAH. ARE WE READY TO GO FORWARD? YEAH. OKAY.
OUR NEXT ONE IS. THE ACCESSORY USES. AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS AMENDING THE ORDINANCE TO ADD CRYPTOCURRENCY OR DATA MINING OPERATIONS INVOLVING HIGH ENERGY COMPUTER PROCESSING FOR PROFIT IS PROHIBITED FROM RESIDENTIAL HOME OCCUPATIONS AS SET FORTH IN EXHIBIT B, AND THAT IS FURTHER IN YOUR PACKET. AND THAT WILL SHOW YOU THE WHOLE ORDINANCE. AND WE WERE AS IT SAID, WE CORRECTED THE LETTERING AND THE NUMBERING SYSTEM THAT WAS ON THAT. SO IF YOU GO ON DOWN, IF I CAN SHOW YOU THAT, GIVE ME ONE MOMENT. DO YOU WANT PAGE EXHIBIT? YEAH.
THERE WE GO. IT'S ON. IF YOU CAN'T GO DOWN TO PAGE 51. THAT START OFF THE HOME OCCUPATIONS.
AND IT SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE IN THE UDO. BUT IT HAD A DIFFERENT LETTERING SYSTEM ON THERE AND THIS IS CORRECTING IT. AND IF YOU GO ON FURTHER ON PAGE 55, THIS IS WHERE WE HAD PROHIBITED RESIDENTIAL HOME OCCUPATIONS. WE ADD THAT CRYPTOCURRENCY.
RESTRICTION AND IT IS BOTH IN THE BELOW TWO ACRES AND OVER TWO ACRES. ORDINANCE. THAT'S THE ONLY THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES TO THAT DOCUMENT. OKAY. I'M I GOT HUNG UP BACK HERE ON THE SIGN SECTION. OKAY. I'M GETTING TO THAT NOW. OKAY. WE'RE DOING THEM IN THE RIGHT ORDER. YEAH. THIS IS. THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WAS LEFT OUT ON THE SIGNS. AND THERE WERE CORRECTIONS. ONE OF THEM THAT HAD A ZONING IN THERE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE AT ALL, WHICH WAS
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KR. SO WE HAD TO CHANGE IT TO LC. I'M GOING BACK UP. TELL ME. TELL ME WHERE I'M STOPPING.OKAY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. IN ARTICLE B10 ON THE SIGN REGULATIONS, SECTION B 10.5 ON SIGNS NOT REQUIRING A PERMIT IN NUMBER TWO, WINDOW SIGNS IT WHERE YOU SEE LC. WE HAD KR AND THAT IS NOT THE ZONING THAT WE DO A DESIGNATION THAT WE HAD. WE HAD TO CORRECT IT TO LC, WHICH IS LIMITED COMMERCIAL. AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO SECTION B .1.8 ON THE CHANGING SIGNS, WE LEFT OFF LIMITED COMMERCIAL AGAIN, AND THIS NEEDED TO BE IN LINE WITH THE TABLE IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE SOME DIGITAL SIGNS. PORTION OF THAT SIGN CAN BE DONE IN LIMITED COMMERCIAL, BUT WE LEFT IT OFF IN THE LANGUAGE ABOVE THAT. SO WE NEEDED TO CORRECT THAT. THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAD ON THERE. YOUR NEXT ONE IS ON. SORRY, IT'S GOING TO BREAK. I MAY HAVE TO TRANSFER IT TO YOURS SOON. MINE MAY CUT OFF IN A FEW MINUTES BECAUSE OF THE UPDATE FROM IT. ON THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING BEFORE WE HAD, THE STATE HAD DESIGNATED IN THE ZONING ZONING LAW THAT ON YOUR NOTIFICATION THAT IT WOULD BE A 30 DAY NOTIFICATION PRIOR TO THE BOARD MEETING. NOW THEY'VE GONE BACK AND THEY'VE SAID IT IN THE SAME LINE AS ANY TYPE OF REZONING THAT NOTIFICATIONS IS TO BE DONE BETWEEN 15 AND 45 DAYS. SO IT REALLY GIVES US A GOOD TIME TO GET EVERYTHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING COURSE. SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE WE DID. AND THAT WAS THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO INTO EFFECT BY THE 31ST OF THIS, OF THIS DECEMBER, 31ST OF THIS YEAR. AND ALL OF THAT LANGUAGE IS CHANGED WITH THE SIGN POSTED AND THE NEWSPAPER. OKAY. OUR NEXT ONE IS THIS, SIR, THE SIZE OF THE SIGN, BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT WANTING BIGGER SIGNS. DID Y'ALL INCREASE THE SIGNAGE FOR THIS OR IS IT STILL THESE LITTLE BITTY THINGS OR ANY ANY SIGNS THAT WE NEED TO POST FOR REZONINGS FOR REZONING SPECIAL USES? THOSE ARE BIG SIGNS. YEAH. OR BY SIX. THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE SMALL, WHICH IS LIKE A LARGER SIZE, LIKE A REALTOR USES. THOSE ARE VARIANCES MANUFACTURED. THIS THIS IS HERE FOR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, OFFICIAL ZONING MAP CHANGES, COMPREHENSIVE CHARACTER MAPS, SPECIAL PERMIT, DOUBLE FACED MINIMUM OF 24 BY 36. BUT IT DOESN'T. YOU COULD DO THAT LITTLE BITTY ONE. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO IT. SIZE SHALL BE WEIGHT OF GEORGIA A MINIMUM OF 18 VERTICAL BY 24 HORIZONTAL. THAT'S FOR MOBILE HOME MANUFACTURED HOMES. YES. YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD SAID WE WANT BIGGER SIGNS IN THESE LITTLE REAL ESTATE SIGNS OUT THERE ON THESE CHANGES. THIS ALLOWS YOU, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, TO JUST PUT A LITTLE 24 BY 36, A REAL ESTATE SIGN UP THERE FOR ANY OF THESE THINGS. WE OUR STANDARD PROCEDURE IS FOR PROCEDURE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IF IT ISN'T IN THE LAW.
IN THE ZONING REGULATION. YOU COULD LEAVE AND SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND SAYS, OH, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE'RE JUST GOING DOWN TO THESE LITTLE THINGS. NOBODY CAN SEE THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT I CAN KNOW OF ABOUT PUTTING IT ON DEAD END STREETS. THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND ASK ABOUT IT. ONE OF THE MEETINGS WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT IT. DID Y'ALL UPDATE THIS TO MEET OUR OUR REQUESTS? THESE ARE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR STATE STANDARDS. I DON'T CARE WHAT THE STATE STANDARD IS. WHAT IS OUR STANDARD? OH, PROCEDURES.
YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO ME. YOU'RE SAYING PROCEDURES ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE ZONING REGULATIONS. THE REASON WE'RE UPDATING THIS AGAIN IS BECAUSE STATE LAW CHANGED. AND UPDATING IT. OKAY, OKAY. BEAR WITH ME. NOW BACK TO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE COUNTY DOES THAT IS NOT 100% WRITTEN IN US TABLET, BUT OUR PROCEDURE, IF IT'S A REZONING A SPECIAL USE, THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY LAND USE DECISIONS, WE DO THE BIGGER SIGN THAT YOU'VE SEEN A HUNDRED TIMES, IT'S THREE FOOT BY FOUR FOOT, AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND THAT'S WHAT
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WE'LL BE DOING. WHAT DID WE DO? AND JUST LIKE WE DID LISTEN. BECAUSE JUST LIKE THE LAST REZONING DOWN BY HAMILTON ROAD, WE PUT. ORDINANCE SIGNS OUT IN A DIRECTION TO DOWN HERE, DOWN HERE. SO SO IT IS OUR SOP, OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE TO DO WHAT YOU DO. YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN HERE. IT DOES IF IT NEEDS TO BE PERMANENT. YOUR SOP CAN CHANGE TOMORROW. AND NOBODY COULD DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. YOU COULD DO ONE ONE DAY AND ONE THE NEXT. JUST BECAUSE YOUR SOPS DON'T MEAN DIDDLY SQUAT TO THE LAW. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU LEAVE, RUTH LEAVES CHANGE OVER, AND THEY SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO WASTE OUR TIME DOING THESE SIGNS. WE JUST WANT TO PRINT OUT SOME LITTLE REAL ESTATE SIGNS AND BE DONE WITH IT. OKAY, SO THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE REQUESTED AT THE MEETING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. SOME PERMANENCY IN THIS. SO THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A PERFECTLY GOOD TIME TO TO MAKE SANDY HAPPY. WHAT THE ORDINANCE, THE MORE STRICT, IF YOU WILL, THAN WHAT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES. YES, WE CAN PUT IT.WE DID HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE THE DATE. SO WHAT DID Y'ALL DO ABOUT CORRECTING THE DATE? YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT A SIGN UP AT THE ROAD AND THEN AT THE DEAD END THAT THE PEOPLE. BUT IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE SO IT DOESN'T CHANGE OVERNIGHT OR IT DOESN'T JUST GET DONE. THIS GUY GETS A LITTLE BITTY SIGN. THE NEXT ONE GETS A GREAT BIG SIGN. YOU KNOW, WE CAN CHANGE THAT. OKAY, WELL, I'LL FOLLOW YOU ON THAT. THANK YOU. IN. YOU KNOW, I'VE ASKED A MILLION TIMES WHY WE CAN'T GET THESE THINGS IN RED LINE. EVERY CHANGE NEEDS TO BE IN A RED LINE. NOT JUST THIS ONE. YOU KNOW, YOU SAID EARLIER.
WELL, THE ONLY THING WE CHANGED IS THIS ONE THING THAT YOU REDLINED. BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR A WHILE ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE NOT REDLINED. SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH THESE THINGS, WE DON'T SEE WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED. AND UNLESS WE GET IN HERE AND ASK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REDLINED IT, WE COULD SEE WHAT WAS DONE BEFOREHAND. YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE BETTER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S SO HARD ABOUT DOING RED LINE CHANGES. WELL, THERE WAS RED LINES ON THE OTHER ONES. I BELIEVE THIS WHOLE THING JUST GOT REWRITTEN, SO I GUESS WE COULD HAVE JUST DRINK THE WHOLE THING RED. NO, YOU ONLY CHANGE.
YOU ONLY RED LINE. THOSE THINGS THAT ARE CHANGED, THE SENTENCES THAT CHANGED THINGS. SO YOU DIDN'T CHANGE EVERYTHING. YOU CHANGED CERTAIN SECTIONS, CERTAIN THINGS. AND THOSE SHOULD BE REDLINED. SO WE KNOW WHAT'S BEEN CHANGED. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN HERE AND GUESS. WELL, IS THIS THE THING BEFORE? IS THIS THE ANOTHER THING? SO. WE'LL GO BACK IN, WE'LL REDLINE IT AND WE'LL ALSO PUT IN SIGN SPECIFIC SIGN DETAILS FOR POSTING. SO WE'LL JUST REMOVE THIS FROM THE AGENDA FOR NOW AND BRING IT BACK NEXT MONTH. THAT WORKS FOR ME. ANYBODY ELSE GOT AN ISSUE WITH DOING IT THAT WAY? THANK YOU. I HATE BEING A STICKLER ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST YEARS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET Y'ALL TO REDLINE THINGS AND NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION. AND I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THAT HARD TO DO. I KNOW IT ISN'T BECAUSE I USED TO DO IT.
THE CHANGES TO THIS QUASI JUDICIAL NEEDS TO BE APPROVED AT LEAST BY DECEMBER 31ST, 2026.
YES. OKAY. DECEMBER IS BONUS MONTH, ISN'T IT? DECEMBER IS WHEN WE GET OUR BONUSES.
CITIZENS OUT THERE DON'T TALK ABOUT. WE'LL GO OVER TO SOUTH TOWER OR THE DATA CENTER. AS THE FYI, I HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS. OKAY. OKAY. ON THE DATA CENTER RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN THE PHASE OF GETTING ALL OF THE ORDINANCE TOGETHER. PUT A DRAFT ORDINANCE IN THERE, BUT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT. IT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR REVIEW. ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONTO IT, MAKE ANY CHANGES. THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE ON PAGE ONE PACKET. PAGE 26. IT'S ON PAGE
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26. PACKET PAGE 26. YES, YOU HAVE NO LESS THAN BLANK ACRES. WHAT IS THE THINKING ON THAT IS FOR SUGGESTIONS. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. THAT'S WHAT SUGGESTION. I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THOSE MINIMUMS SHOULD BE. WE HAVE A 25 ACRE MINIMUM IN FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. SO WE DID NOT PUT THAT IN THERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE THERE'S SOME THAT ARE HUGE. THERE'S SOME LIKE HUNDRED ACRES. THERE'S SOME THERE'S ACRES. MY ONLY POINT WOULD BE THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CRYPTO DATA CENTER IN A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE, A CRYPTO MINING OPERATION IN TERMS OF SIZE, POWER USAGE MAY BE IN WATER USAGE MAY BE SAME. BUT NO, THEY'RE MOST OF THEM ARE. WELL, THAT'S WHY IT'S A DRAFT. WE ARE NOT. THOSE NEED TO BE SEPARATED.I MEAN YOU COULD YOU COULD PUT A BITCOIN MINING OPERATION ON FIVE ACRES, TEN ACRES, 20 ACRES, COUPLE ACRES. THERE THEY COME, A LITTLE CONTAINER UNIT. IT'S 20 20 FOOT STORAGE CONTAINER UNITS. YOU HAVE ONE. THE COUNTY DOES NOT ANYMORE. HE'S GONE NOW. BUT THERE WAS ONE ON THE ROAD.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE ON THE PROPERTY. THAT USED TO BE TIME FOR ONE OF THOSE RIGHT THERE.
OH YEAH. YEAH. I CAME IN AND PUT ACTUALLY TO YOUR POINT TWO CONTAINERS. YEAH. PUT TWO BIG CONTAINER THINGS AND MOTOR CONTROL AND HAD POWER RUN TO THEM. AND IS THERE A WAY TO CORRELATE THE POWER USE TO THE SIZE OF ACREAGE NEEDED? SANDY. IT'S IT'S THE USE IT'S ACTUALLY THE USE THAT NOT THE POWER BUT THE USE HOW HOW MANY THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY. THERE ARE DIFFERENT SIZES THERE. THE SMALL ONE, THERE'S MEDIUM, THERE'S A LARGE AND THEN THERE'S THE COMPLEX. THERE'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE MEASUREMENTS FOR. YES, THERE IS. AND THAT'S HOW THEY COME UP WITH THE SMALL FACILITIES, THE LARGE. SO MY SON IS ON ONE RIGHT NOW. THE BUILDING IS 1,000,000FT■!S AND THAT GOES ON FIVE ACRES. OH, IT'S ALL VERTICAL. IT'S ALL 520 JUST RIGHT AT SIX FLAGS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZE 20 STORY BUILDING. NO, THEY'RE ACTUALLY THREE AND FOUR STORY. OKAY. BUILDINGS. THEY HAVE 2 TO 4. BUT THE MINOR IS 20,000FT■!S WIH A FIVE. WHAT SUBSTATION. AND THEN WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE 500,000FT■!S. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE COMPLEX THAT'S INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS ON THERE. BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A DRAFT WHERE EVERY JURISDICTION AND. COUNTY AND EVERYONE'S BEEN CURRENTLY DRAFTING NEW ORDINANCES. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE ATTITUDE OF THE AREA. DO THEY WANT THESE THINGS OR DO THEY DON'T WANT THESE THINGS? HOW THEY DRAFT THESE ORDINANCES? OH I AGREE WITH IT. YEAH. SO ZONING ORDINANCE. YEAH. TROUP COUNTY, TROUP COUNTY IS NOT IN A POSITION TO EVEN OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LARGE DATA CENTER. WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO THE WATER, RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE A POWER SOURCE OTHER THAN GOING TO AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY. SO I'M, I'M WE'RE TALKING WITH ALL THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS. MARK, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, HE'S WORKING WITH SEVERAL OTHER JURISDICTIONS, ATTORNEYS ON WHAT IS A SMALL WHAT'S A MEDIUM WHAT'S A LARGE OKAY. IS ANYBODY CALLED A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY DEVELOPER TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THE BUILDERS THINK THEY NEED, NOT JUST WHAT THE COUNTY, THE GOVERNMENT ALL DOESN'T HAVE THE ANSWERS. NOT UNLIKE SOME POLITICIANS THINK THAT THEY ANSWER. HAVE NO PROBLEM. TOO BIG OR TOO SMALL FOR THE GOVERNMENT. BUT WHAT'S WHAT DOES THE BUILDERS THINK THEY NEED? WHAT THE DEVELOPERS THINK. I DID LOOK, WE HAVE A STUDY COMMITTEE. IS THE COUNTY MADE UP A STUDY COMMITTEE TO GET OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED? I'M NOT.
I'M NOT A REAL PROPONENT OF THESE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I WANT THE BILL TO BE NAILED DOWN. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A IS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN. WELL IT COULD, IT COULD. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT COULD HAPPEN. SANDY. THINGS COULD CHANGE. TOMORROW YOU GET NEW POWER AND WATER. YOU GET A NEW ADMINISTRATION IN THE CITY. DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY COUNTIES GETTING ONE IN THAT IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY. THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY. I MEAN, IT'S STILL PART OF THE COUNTY. YEAH. BUT THIS THIS DEALS WITH THE INCORPORATED COUNTY, NOT THE CITY, UNINCORPORATED TROUP COUNTY. THESE ARE THE RULES FOR THAT. WELL, IF A DATA CENTER WANTS TO COME HERE, WILL IT COME BEFORE US IN THE COMMISSIONERS FOR PERMISSION? NO. BE A SPECIAL USE. THE WAY IT'S WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS THAT IT IS A SPECIAL USE ON
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HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WITH SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS AS HOW YOU DEVELOP THAT PART, THAT PROPERTY, THE PRACTICAL PART OF IT TO ME IS NO, THEY WON'T COME HERE FIRST. THEY WILL GO TO THE CITY AND THEN THE CITY WILL COME IN AND DO A WELL, THE ONE THAT AN ANNEX AND TAKE OUR LAND.AND THEN IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS. NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY, TURN DOWN THAT ANNEXATION. THEY DID ONE, WHICH IS. YEAH, THEY DID, BUT THEY MAY NOT DO THE NEXT. THEY MAY NOT TURN DOWN THE NEXT ONE. BUT IF THEY ANNEX INTO THE CITY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THIS. RIGHT. THIS IS ONLY IF THERE IS A WORKING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WHERE THE CITY WILL RUN WATER OR POWER, OR THE COUNTY DEVELOPS ITS OWN WATER ONE DAY. WE DON'T NEED COUNTY WATER. WHAT YOU AND I THINK MAY NOT.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME FROM NOW I KNOW THAT WE'LL BE. I AGREE WITH WHAT THE GUY FROM FIRST POWER LIVINGSTON SAID. WHEN YOU SAY DATA IN 3 TO 5 YEARS, IT'S GOING TO BE OBSOLETE. ALL THIS BUILDINGS THEY'RE BUILDING AND ALL THIS STUFF, IT'S OBSOLETE BECAUSE SOMETHING'S BETTER. YEAH, IT'S JUST LIKE MY PHONE THAT I JUST GOT. NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE OLD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO WE'RE STARTING WITH ALL THESE BUILDINGS DOWN FROM THE RESOURCES. SO THEY AREN'T SERIOUS AT ALL ABOUT PUTTING THE PUTTING SOLAR SOLAR FIELDS IN OUR DATA CENTERS UP IN THE ATMOSPHERE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT COOLING.
IT'S -3000 ANYWAY UP THERE, WHATEVER IT IS. SO. AND THEN THE SUN, THEY PUT UP SOLAR PANELS UP THERE AND TOO MANY OF THOSE THINGS, THEY'RE GOING TO MESS WITH OUR WEATHER DOWN HERE AGAIN. SO THAT'S YEAH, WE'RE JUST ASKING IF YOU CAN GO THROUGH THAT. WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR AND ANYTHING THAT YOU RECOMMEND PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'LL WE'LL MEET WITH MARK AND THE OTHERS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. WE'LL BE TAKING ALSO THE REVIEW TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS ON DECEMBER 2ND, AND FOR THEIR REVIEW ALSO, AND THEN THEY'LL GIVE US DIRECTIVES AFTER THAT. RIGHT NOW YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THIS BUFFER 300 LINEAR FEET, VEGETATIVE BUFFER. ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL WELL. AND WHEN NONRESIDENTIAL. BUT WHAT TYPE OF VEGETATIVE BUFFER ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. GRASS. GRASS. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME IS THAT COULD END UP BEING JUST VEGETATION. VEGETATION. YOU KNOW, A ROW OF PANSIES OR TEN ROWS OF PANSIES. THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR BUFFER AND IT TALKS ABOUT. YEAH OKAY.
DON'T NEED TO REFERENCE THAT IN THIS. WELL WHEN YOU REFER TO SOMETHING IT THAT'S THE DEFINITION. ALL OF IT IS. YEAH. OKAY. THE DEFINITION BUT DOES IT IN THE VEGETATION REGULATION.
DOES IT TALK ABOUT WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT JUST SAYS VEGETATIVE BUFFER. IT DOES. IT GIVES YOU ALL THE BREAKDOWN RIGHT NOW IN OUR TREE PRESERVATION AND OUR LANDSCAPING. IT GIVES YOU ALL THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE BUFFER. JUST, JUST.
OKAY. AND THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT I FOUND THAT I PLACED IN THERE AND WENT THROUGH MARK WITH. AND HE PUT IT IN THE LEGALESE AND THINGS. SO IT'S THERE FOR YOU TO REFERENCE. AND ANYTHING THAT YOU SEE ONCE AGAIN, WHY WOULD YOUR OFFENSIVE NOT WANT TO HAVE CLIMBING AND CLIMBING FEATURE? SAY THAT AGAIN IN YOUR FENCING REGULATION. IT SAYS IT SHALL BE DECORATIVE WITH NO ANTI CLIMBING FEATURE. IT'LL BE DECORATIVE METAL WITH NO ANTI CLIMBING FEATURE. IT HAS LIKE A 300 ACRE PARCEL. IT'S OUT THERE. IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. THERE'S ONE REQUIREMENT. IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT FURTHER IN TOWARDS THE TO WHERE THE BUILDING IS AND THAT'S ALL THEY'RE FENCING IN, THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT. IT'S UP TO THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT ON. NO IT ISN'T UP TO THEM BECAUSE YOU SAY WITH NO ANTI CLIMBING FEATURE SO THEY CAN'T PUT THE BARBED WIRE UP ON TOP IF THEY WANT TO. I THINK THAT'S AN OLD FENCING REGULATIONS THAT YOU DO NOT PUT ANTI FENCING. YEAH THIS IS JUST A DRAFT. WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP NOW TO VARIOUS SIZES. YEAH. IT'S IT, IT SAYS ON DOWN THERE THAT IT CAN INCLUDE CLIMBING IF IT'S LOCATED INSIDE THE BUFFER. THEY JUST DON'T WANT IT OUT ON THE ROAD WITH THE THEY WANT LIKE VINYL STUFF OR WHATEVER OR SOMETHING THEY DON'T WANT LOOK LIKE A PRISON
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CAMP FROM THE ROAD. BUT IF YOU'RE INSIDE THE BUFFER ZONE, THEY CAN PUT. ALL RIGHT. I JUST THINGS GOTTA GET THIS BEFORE HE WAS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. FYI, WE ARE WORKING ON WORKING ON IT.YEAH. THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO ON TUESDAY. WE ARE WORKING BECAUSE THEY PLACED A MORATORIUM ON APPLICATIONS OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE FOR MEDICINAL. AND SO WE ARE WORKING ON IT. HAVE YOU HAD ANY APPLICATIONS. YEAH. WE'RE NOT I MEAN THAT'S WHAT IT ALL. IT'S STILL ALL BOILS DOWN TO THE GENERAL. WE DON'T HAVE WATER. WE DON'T HAVE SEWER, WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER. SO THE ACTUAL LIKELIHOOD THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN APPLICATION ANYWAY IS 000. YEAH, YEAH. BUT WE WOULD HAVE WE WOULD PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE JUST IN CASE. YEAH. ONE 1,000,000% HAPPEN TO HAVE HAPPEN. WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO HELP YOU GUYS AND WE NEED SOMETHING. THAT'S THAT NEEDS TO BE GOOD AND ENFORCEABLE. BEFORE IT STARTS. NOW, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM? THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT IN HERE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THE WATER, WATER, WATER WATER RIGHT. IT ACTUALLY GOES IN A LOOP. YEAH.
WELL I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'VE READ THAT EVEN CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS REQUIRE LOTS OF WATER.
NOT AS MUCH AS OPEN LOOP, BUT THEY REQUIRE MILLIONS OF GALLONS TO OPEN LOOP JUST PASSES STRAIGHT THROUGH THE COOLANT DISCHARGES. CLOSED LOOP GOES THROUGH A COOLING TOWERS AND STUFF AND EVAPORATION. SO YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE. YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF EVAPORATION, EVAPORATION, ANDERSON SAYS. YOU LOSE VERY LITTLE THROUGH EVAPORATION, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE SOME. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO IT'S NOT GOING TO REQUIRE AS MUCH AS AN OPEN LOOP. THE MAIN WATER USAGE, MY SON SAYS, IS IN THE FILL UP STAGE. WHEN THEY DO THE TESTING, THEY THEY BRING IT IN AND FLUSH IT OUT, BRING IT IN, FLUSH IT OUT. AND THEN WHEN THEY CLOSE IT, OTHER THAN ADDING A LITTLE ALONG FOR MINOR EVAPORATION, IT'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE I DISAGREE BECAUSE ALL THE STUFF I'VE READ IS LIKE THE ONE THAT WAS PROPOSED UP IN NEWNAN WAS MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY. EVEN IN THE CLOSED LOOP. 3 MILLION GALLONS. IT WAS LIKE 3 MILLION. ASTRONOMICAL. I MEAN, 3 MILLION GALLONS. THEY'RE HUGE. POWER CONSUMING. THE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING ON US SO FAST THAT OKAY? YEAH, BUT WE GOTTA DEAL WITH WHAT TECHNOLOGY WE GOT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND I THINK, LIKE JAY SAID, THAT'S YOU CAN'T GET THE POWER. THERE'S NOT POWER, THERE'S NOT THE TRANSMISSION SYSTEM CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THESE. AND THE WATER SYSTEM. SO BASICALLY THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. YEAH.
BUT BUT BY THE TIME THAT MIGHT HAPPEN THE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. IT MAY BE WORSE AT THAT TIME. YOU ALWAYS GET WORSE. IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND. MY UNDERSTANDING IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT DONE, BECAUSE NO ONE'S WORRIED ABOUT PER SE IN TERMS OF IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY. IS THAT MOST LIKELY ON DECEMBER 2ND OR WHATEVER THAT 1ST DECEMBER IS THAT THEY WILL EXTEND THE MORATORIUM BECAUSE IT WAS 180 DAYS, IT WAS 90 DAYS, 90 DAYS EXTENDED TO 180. SO. YOU HAVE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, MORE TIME TO SEE EXACTLY DEFINITION THIS TECHNOLOGY RESEARCH WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING. SO. SO THERE'LL BE ANOTHER KNOCK ON KNOCK ON WOOD. MOST LIKELY THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EXTENSION OF MORATORIUM BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY 90 DAYS ON GENERATE A WHOLE ORDINANCE, HANDLE SOMETHING THAT'S NEW TO ANYBODY.
OH YEAH. SO WHAT IF WE GOT ONE OUT IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK? WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS. SO THE BACK TO YOUR QUESTION. IF WE HAVE ONE IN THE COUNTY, WOULD IT HAVE TO COME TO YOU? IT REALLY MOST LIKELY, YES. BUT THE ONE IN THE CITY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE TO GO TO THEM AT ALL, SAY, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAD POWER DEDICATED. IT WAS ALREADY A PARCEL THAT WAS THERE, ALREADY HAD THE BUILDING ALREADY ZONE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL OR WHATEVER NEEDED. SO THERE WAS NO REZONING. THERE WAS NO. SO IT WAS IT WAS A PERFECT STORM PER SE FOR AND IT HAD 25MW. NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL REQUIREMENTS. BUT YOU DO KNOW, BECAUSE I WAS TALKING TO SOME FOLKS THAT WERE HUNTING IN THERE, DOD CONTRACTORS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THIS TYPE STUFF, AND THEY ARE QUICKLY DEVELOPING MANY NUCLEAR PLANTS THAT THEY COULD PUT IN AN INDUSTRIAL SITE TO POWER THESE THINGS. NOW DO. I DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO THE
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DETAIL WITH THEM ABOUT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE SECURITY LIGHT ON A MINI NUCLEAR THING, YOU KNOW, SO YOU SAY IT COULDN'T CHANGE HERE THAT QUICKLY, BUT THAT TECHNOLOGY IS RAPIDLY. AND THAT'S 50% OF THE ISSUE IS, IS THERE ENOUGH POWER? AND THEN THE WATER IS THE NEXT.BUT THERE'S A GIANT LAKE RIGHT UP THE STREET THAT PEOPLE CAN CHANGE THE RULES AND CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SAY DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK. THE STATE COULD COME IN, THE FEDS COULD COME IN AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE WATER. THEY DECLARE THIS A NATIONAL SECURITY REQUIREMENT AND YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE WATER. SO WE'VE GOT TO BE PREPARED BECAUSE THE POWER AND THE WATER CAN CHANGE QUICKLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO TELL US WHAT TO DO, I DON'T CARE WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DON'T MEAN ANYTHING. GOVERNMENT COMES IN AND SAYS YOU HAVE TO. WELL THEN YEAH. SO ANDERSON WAS ON ONE. THEY FINISHED LAST YEAR. THAT WAS 500,000FT■!S WHEN THEY FINISHED.
THIS IS IN DOWNTOWN ATLANTA NEAR THE JAIL, 500,000FT■!S. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FULL TIME EMPLOYEES WORK THERE? PROBABLY ABOUT 25. TEN. ONE. HE'S ON NOW 11,000,000FT■!S, $1 BILLION. AND HE SAID THERE'D PROBABLY BE 25 TO 40 ON SITE. AND THAT'S IT. SO IT'S NOT A JOB. NO, NO, NO.
IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE A UTILITY PROVIDER, IT'S A BIG DEAL. WELL, THAT'S WHY THE CITY WANTS IT BECAUSE THE CITY MAKES THEIR MONEY SELLING PEOPLE WATER, GAS AND ELECTRICITY. RIGHT. AND THE REASON THAT WAS THE BEST THING TO DO IS JINDAL WHO WAS THERE. YEAH. THEY ALREADY HAD MOST OF THAT STUFF THERE. THAT WAS AND THAT WAS THE CITY'S BIGGEST ELECTRICAL CONSUMER. SO WHEN JINDAL SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THEY WERE SHUT DOWN, THEY CLOSE THEIR DOORS BEFORE THE DATA CENTER STARTED. IS THAT THEIR LARGEST ELECTRICITY CONSUMER, THEIR LARGEST CUSTOMER SHUT THE DOORS, TURNED OFF THE LIGHTS. SO THEIR LARGEST CUSTOMER WENT AWAY. AND SO THAT'S WHY REALLY THE DATA CENTER COMING IN, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE ADDING THEIR LOAD ON TOP OF WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE, LIKE THE JINDAL LOAD ON THE WAY. SO THEY'RE REALLY JUST REPLACING 25MW RIGHT THERE. SO SO THEY'RE THEY'RE YOU KNOW, A BIG PART OF IT IS THEY'RE JUST REPLACING WHAT THE CITY LOST.
IF YOU FOLLOW ME. EXCUSE ME. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE ADDING ON FROM THE BOTTOM LINE, BUT THEY'RE STILL HAVING TO DO A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE OVERALL DESIGN OF IT. YES. I THINK THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL PHASES, THOUGH THAT WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL POWER.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD NEW SUBSTATIONS, AND NOW THEY'RE ONLY IN THE DISPERSED PHASE, REPLACING ALL THOSE ALREADY USING. YOU'RE RIGHT. IF THEY EXPAND. EXPAND AND EXPAND, WHICH IS THE PLAN THEN THEN THEY WILL. SO IF YOU READ THE REPORTS OF THIS TECHNOLOGY AND OTHERS THAT YOU SAID THAT THE MILLIONAIRES OF THE FUTURE ARE PLUMBERS AND ELECTRICIANS.
THEY'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE 1920, I THINK. AND THERE HAVE BEEN TRUE TO SOME DEGREE, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVE FROM REALLY IN SHORT SUPPLY. YEAH, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE AN ELECTRICIAN WORTH THEIR SALT. YOU CAN MAKE 50, $75 AN HOUR NOW. SOME OF THESE LIKE THIS ELECTRIC OUT THERE. GO ACROSS THE YOU GO TO CHICAGO OR COLORADO OR LA. YOU CAN MAKE 100 BUCKS AN HOUR. YEAH, BUT YOU GOTTA LIVE IN THOSE CITIES. AND WHO WANTS TO DO THAT TO DO THAT, I SO I THINK WE GOT THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH. THANKS. SO, SO WE'VE BEAT THIS COW AS MUCH AS WE CAN RIGHT NOW, BUT I JUST WORRY ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE A STRONG ENOUGH ORDINANCE THAT IF THINGS CHANGED QUICKLY, WE COULD CONTROL SOME PARTS OF OUR FUTURE. SO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO MOVED SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. THANK YOU.
LET'S GO HOME, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE'LL ADJOURN AND. OH, ALL RIGHT, LET'S. I GOTTA CLOSE THE THE MEETING AND LET'S MAKE A MOTI
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