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GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. LET ME WELCOME EVERYONE TO OUR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 2ND, 2025 BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING. I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A COUPLE OF MINUTES LATE.
BUT THEY'RE HERE WITH US. AND SO OUR COUNTY MANAGER, WE HAVE A SON THAT'S VERY ACTIVE IN SCOUTING AND SUGGESTED I ASK Y'ALL TO LEAD THE PLEDGE TO THE FLAG. SO DO Y'ALL MIND STEPPING UP THIS WAY FOR ME? ALRIGHT. AND. RIGHT. IF I COULD ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE RISE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PLEDGE LED BY OUR VISITING SCOUTS.
AND THEN WE HAVE JEFF DURAN FROM OUR OWN TROOP, COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S GOING TO GIVE OUR INVOCATION. SO ALL RIGHT, GUYS, HERE'S THE AMERICAN FLAG.
ALL RIGHT. READY WHEN YOU ARE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
ALRIGHT. AND THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT FOR US TODAY.
I PRAY NOW, GOD, THAT YOUR BLESSINGS WILL BE UPON THIS MEETING. TODAY. I PRAY FOR ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, ALL OF OUR GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, OUR COUNTY MANAGER, JUST EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED TO MAKE TROUP COUNTY WORK.
LORD, THAT WOULD BE PLEASING TO YOU. WE PRAY NOW, GOD, YOU JUST BE WITH US.
AMEN. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA IN THE MINUTES.
[III. APPROVAL OF AGENDA/MINUTES]
FIRST, I HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE FINAL AGENDA.I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SO MOVED. SO I HAVE A SECOND.
SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU.
MOTION CARRIES. NEXT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM TROUP COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WORK SESSION, WHICH WAS HELD ON AUGUST THE 19TH, 2025. DO I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVED A MOTION? OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. MOTION IS CARRIED. AND FINALLY, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE TROUP COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS BOARD MEETING, WHICH WAS HELD ON AUGUST THE 19TH, 2025. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO BE APPROVED? SO MOVED. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
MOTION IS CARRIED. NEXT IS SPECIAL BUSINESS. AT THIS TIME, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNTY MANAGER,
[IV. Special Business]
MR. MOSLEY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONERS, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY IS ITEMS WE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING, WHICH IS THE GEORGIA DNR GRANT. THE GRANT WOULD BE USED TO FUND A NEW PLAYGROUND AT THE NEW WHITESVILLE ROAD SOCCER COMPLEX.THE TOTAL BUDGET IS $700,000, $350,000 IN THE FEDERAL GRANT, AND THE $350,000 MATCHING DOLLARS WOULD COME FROM SPLOST FIVE. WE WE ACTUALLY MET THIS AFTERNOON OR THIS MORNING WITH GEORGIA DNR TO FORMALIZE THE RESOLUTION. AND SO TONIGHT WE'D BE ASKING FOR YOU GUYS TO ADOPT AND CERTIFY THE RESOLUTION FORMALLY ACCEPTING THE GRANT.
AWARD. BEFORE WE GET TOO DEEP INTO THIS THE REST OF THE FUNDS ARE THERE.
FIVE VOTE. IT WAS SO IN AS A GENERAL, A GENERAL PURPOSE.
IT WAS IN FOR PARKS AND RECREATION AND SPLOST FIVE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY WOULD BE GENERATED FROM. YES, SIR.
I GUESS I JUST MAKE SURE WE GOT THE MONEY BEFORE WE GO TO APPLYING FOR THIS GRANT.
YES, THERE IS MONEY AVAILABLE IN THAT FUND TO SET AS MATCH.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE. THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE.
APPROVE. THE GEORGIA DNR LWCF GRANT. AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE PROVEN THE RESOLUTION.
YES, SIR. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
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DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIED. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. OUR NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERATION OF THE TATUM SCHOOL PROPERTY AGREEMENT. THIS AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN THE TROUP COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND THE BOARD OF EDUCATION.I JUST KIND OF BACK UP A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
THE COUNTY THEN CAME IN AND TOOK OVER THAT FACILITY.
WE ARE, WE ARE. WE ARE REQUESTING TO MOVE STATION 14 FURTHER INTO THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.
THE FUNDS ARE IN SPLOST FIVE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS NEW FACILITY.
AGAIN, THIS WILL BE THE FIRST OF HOPEFULLY MANY PROTOTYPE FIRE STATIONS IN THE FUTURE.
THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN. SO CERTAINLY VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
I GUESS ONCE WE WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF STARTED THE PROCESS LAST WEEK, YOU GUYS APPROVED TO, TO FINALIZE THE CIVIL ENGINEERING. THIS JUST FINALIZES THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT.
WE ARE ALSO ALLOWING FOR A PERPETUAL EASEMENT TO ALLOW BUSSES TO TRAVERSE THE COUNTY PROPERTY TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY FOR STORAGE OF UP TO 15 BUSSES FOR THE TROUP COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO WHEN THIS CONTRACT IS MADE, IT'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL.
SO I THINK THAT WHAT THE BOARD CAN DO IS CERTAINLY AUTHORIZE THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO CLARIFY THE LAST FEW POINTS AND THEN GENERATE A FINAL DOCUMENT THAT WOULD GET TO Y'ALL, BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING WILL BE IN THAT CONTRACT FORM.
YES, SIR. IT'S IN THE. IT'S IN WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
AND IT'S ON. SO IT'S ON THE TABLE WITH THEM AT THIS POINT.
SO WE SENT A FORM. IT'S GOING TO THEM. THEY. IF IT'S GOOD THEN IT COMES.
IT COMES BACK OKAY. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. SO THE MOTION TONIGHT IS JUST TO MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S CORRECT OKAY. CONTRACT OKAY. WHAT? WORK FORWARD.
MOVE FORWARD WITH ATTEMPTING TO GET TO THE FINAL VERSION OF THE CONTRACT FOR SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL.
WE WOULD RELOCATE OUT A FEW MILES AWAY. WELL, I MEAN, FOR THE BIGGEST REASON FOR MOST OF OUR PEOPLE IS IT LOWERS THEIR POTENTIAL INSURANCE RATING. THE CLOSER A FIRE STATION AND WATER SOURCES ARE TO YOUR HOME THE LOWER OVERALL COST FOR YOUR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE.
I MY ISO RATING IS TEN. TEN IS THE HIGHEST AND SO THEREFORE MY INSURANCE IS SUBJECT TO HIGHER RATES.
AGAIN, THE CLOSER A FIRE STATION CLOSE TO WATER SOURCES ARE TO YOU CERTAINLY LOWERS YOUR OVERALL RISK FOR HEALTH INSURANCE OR FOR FOR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CURRENT FIRE STATION THAT WE GOT FROM LAGRANGE? WOULD IT BE USED FOR? YES, WE CERTAINLY ARE. AND WE I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST MAYBE THE LAST MEETING TOO AS WELL.
OUR GOAL REALLY IS TO TRY TO TRANSITION THAT INTO ANOTHER FACILITY FOR THE USE OF THE COUNTY.
ONE OF THE THOUGHTS WAS TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THAT FACILITY AS USED FOR OUR FACILITY MAINTENANCE.
LARRY AND HIS CREW A LOT OF THEIR MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT IS SCATTERED ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
TO BE ABLE TO WORK CERTAINLY WOULD BENEFIT. IT.
WE ALSO WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE CITY BE WILLING TO TO RELOCATE THERE.
CURRENTLY, IT'S JUST SITTING OUT IN THE OPEN BY THEIR TRAINING TOWER.
AND WE'VE WE'VE OFFERED THAT IN THE PAST TO THEM.
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OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY.SECOND, WE HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION. SO, MR. CHAIR.
ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM, ITEM C IS CONSIDERATION OF TROUP COUNTY SHOP TRUCK REPLACEMENTS THIS MORNING GLENN DOWNES WAS HERE. HE'S HERE AS WELL. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION TO REPLACE A 26 YEAR OLD 1990 9F2 50.
HIS PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO REPLACE IT WITH A 2025 TOYOTA TACOMA AT 42,389.
THIS IS A BUDGETED EXPENDITURE WITHIN THE FY 26 GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN.
I ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE 99 FORD F-250 WITH A 2025 TOYOTA.
TACOMA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVED, MR. CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. ALSO THIS MORNING, MR. DOWNS DISCUSSED THE REPLACEMENT OF A LIFT JACK IN THE SHOP.
THE ESTIMATED AGE OF THAT LIFT JACK IS 25 TO 30 YEARS OLD.
AND AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO REPLACE THAT LIFT JACK AND GET ALL THE WAY TO THAT PIECE.
WITH A HEAVY DUTY WITH A LIFT. JACK FROM HEAVY DUTY LIFT COMPANY IN THE AMOUNT OF 80,009, 64, 24. THOSE FUNDS WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE CAPITAL FUND.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE REPLACE THE JACK LIST AND THE TROUP COUNTY SHOP WITH ONE FROM HEAVY DUTY LIFT.
IF I HAVE A MOTION. SO MOVED, MR. CHAIR. OKAY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOTION IS CARRIED. ALL RIGHT. THIS MORNING, CHIEF WHITNEY CAME AND PROVIDED AN EXPLANATION ON THE PARTY CONTROL BOARD'S CONTROL BOARDS WERE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING. AND ARE NOW BEYOND REPAIR.
THEY WILL PAY THE REMAINING 2628 ONCE WE'VE RECEIVED FINAL INVOICES FROM MTI.
WHO WILL PROVIDE SERVICE FOR REMAINING $15,000 IS OUR DEDUCTIBLE AND WOULD COME FROM THE THE PUBLIC SAFETY ACCOUNT. OKAY. I KNOW WE DIDN'T, SIR. THE QUOTE THROUGH HERE.
LEAD TIMES PROVIDE SUBMITTALS WITHIN 12 WEEKS OF RECEIPT OF THE CONTRACT PURCHASE ORDER INSTALLATION, EIGHT WEEKS UPON THE MATERIAL ARRIVING. YES, SIR.
SO THIS PANEL, IT ACTUALLY SERVES AS IT DOES.
AND ACTUALLY WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT WILL CONTROL SWING DOORS, THE SLIDERS THAT ARE WITHIN THEIR INTERCOMS FIRE ZONES AND LIGHTS. SO YOU CAN CONTROL THAT STUFF WITH THAT.
AND SAY THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PANEL? YES, SIR.
AND THE OTHER? WE HAVE THREE QUOTES. THE OTHER ONE WAS AT 155.
ANOTHER COMPANY IN LAGRANGE SAID WE CAN'T DO IT.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FROM THE TROUP COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO REPLACE THE POD. A CONTROL BOARD USING MTI AND THE FUNDS ABOVE.
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MAKE SURE I SAY THAT THE FUNDS ABOVE THE INSURANCE CHECK WILL COME FROM THE CAPITAL ACCOUNT PLUS FIVE.RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION? APPROXIMATELY $100,000 IN THE ACCOUNT REMAINING.
AND SO PLENTY TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PURCHASE. OKAY.
YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO MOVE. ALRIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU ALL. APPRECIATE YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? BETTER WAIT, JOHN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? YOU SLID IN.
IT WAS CLOSE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS THE CONSIDERATION OF THE INMATE FOOD SERVICES AGREEMENT.
MAJOR DURAN IS HERE. IF YOU'VE GOT ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
AND I KNOW THAT MARK AND ARE ALSO AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE THAT THIS MORNING WE HEARD ABOUT THIS FOOD SERVICE WITH SKITTLES, AND I ASKED THE ATTORNEY AND HE LOOKED AT THE CONTRACT AND HE SAID, YES, BUT IT'S NOT A COMMISSIONER UP HERE.
FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, IT HAS SEEN THE CONTRACT. AND BEFORE WE GET INTO A LOT OF DISCUSSION, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL WE AS COMMISSIONERS HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT THE CONTRACT. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I HADN'T I JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING, AND I KNEW IT'D BEEN A DISCUSSION, BUT I HAVEN'T SIGNED THE CONTRACT AND HAD TIME TO LOOK AT CONTRACT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MY OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL, BUT.
HAS IT BEEN SINCE THE 23? AND THIS IS REWORKING THE CONTRACT, RIGHT? WELL, YES AND NO. THIS IS THIS IS A NEW CONTRACT.
THE IT'S THE SAME COMPANY THAT RECEIVED THE THE CONTRACT IN 23, BUT THAT CONTRACT HAS EXPIRED.
THIS WOULD BE A NEW CONTRACT WITH THE SAME VENDOR.
SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CONTRACT REALLY, WHILE WE OPERATE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT EVERYONE IS. JEFF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS CONTINUING TO OPERATE UNDER THE TERMS OF THE EXPIRED CONTRACT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THIS WAS ORIGINALLY I AGAIN, I CAN'T SPEAK BEFORE THIS BUT A BIT OUT IN 2018 AND THEN RENEWED IN 23 WITH A WITH A FOLLOW UP BID PROCESS.
SKILLET KITCHEN WAS CHOSEN IN BOTH SITUATIONS.
AND BASICALLY ULTIMATELY WE'RE AFTER WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONTRACT THAT WAS MADE.
THE DECISION WAS MADE TO REWORD IT. YEAH. THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE CLARITY ON BOTH PARTIES.
SO TO YOUR POINT COMMISSIONER JONES, WE CERTAINLY CAN SET SOMETHING UP TO ALLOW THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS TO THE ATTORNEY IN REFERENCE TO THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. I THINK MARK AND MARK IS CERTAINLY WILLING TO HELP DO THAT.
ABSOLUTELY. SO SOME RATE CHANGES IN THE NEW CONTRACT? YES, SIR, AS WELL AS HOW THE RATES WILL BE CHANGED YEAR AFTER YEAR.
MOVING FORWARD. AND WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF THIS NEW CONTRACT? B YEAR TO YEAR, YEAR TO YEAR, BUT YEAR TO YEAR, BUT WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
PRETTY PRETTY TYPICAL OF MOST OF OUR CONTRACTS.
THERE IS AUTOMATIC RENEWAL IN IT, AGAIN BASED ON SATISFACTION OF BOTH PARTIES.
BOTH PARTIES TYPICALLY ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS OUT.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS 190 DAYS, SIX MONTHS, 60 DAY OUT CLAUSE WITHIN THE AGREEMENT.
THE OTHER PIECE IS ABOUT AND AGAIN, WAS PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT PART WAS ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, ABOUT RATE CHANGES AND HOW THEY WOULD BE ESTABLISHED YEAR, YEAR OVER YEAR.
AND SO CERTAINLY A VERY IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AS SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO HAVE PLENTY OF NOTICE ABOUT RATE CHANGES THAT WE CAN PROPERLY PREPARE FOR IT AND THE UPCOMING UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. THE OTHER PIECE WHICH MARK CAN MAYBE SPEAK MORE CLEARLY THAN I CAN, BUT IS BASED ABOUT THE ACTUAL HOW THE RATE IS DERIVED.
IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS CONTRACTS, IT'S BEEN BASED OFF OF A FOOD SERVICE, CPI.
AND THE NEW CONTRACT BASICALLY ALLOWS FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO INCREASE COST UP TO 7.5% EACH YEAR.
THE LATEST VERSION OF THE CONTRACT ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAVE THE 7.5 CAP.
IT'S JUST STRICTLY BASED ON CPI. OKAY. AND THE FOOD INDEX FROM THE FOOD AND TABLE.
YEAH. SO BASED ON THAT IT IS A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.
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AND UNLIKE THE SCHOOL AGREEMENT THIS IS A PRETTY COMPLICATED, COMPLICATED AND MUCH LONGER AGREEMENT.THEY HAD THE LOWEST BID? NO, SIR. THEY HAD THE BEST BID.
HAD THE BEST BID. AND WITH THAT, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FOOD AND TABLE.
THEY ALSO HAVE AGREED IN THIS CONTRACT TO JUSTIFY ANYTIME THEY WANTED TO GO UP, THEY WOULD GET ALL THEIR CONTRACTORS TOGETHER AND SAY THIS IS WHY WE'RE GOING UP TO THIS AMOUNT. OKAY, SO JUSTIFY ANY PRETTY PLEASED WITH THEM.
VERY PLEASED. YEAH. SO THE CONTRACT WE I GUESS IT JUST I GUESS EXPIRED NOW.
IT WAS ACTUALLY SIGNED IN 1822, 2023. THEY HAVEN'T WENT UP ON US IN TWO YEARS.
THEY'VE BEEN NO INCREASE IN COST IN TWO YEARS BASICALLY.
AND THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, WE CAN'T STAY IN BUSINESS LIKE THIS.
WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING. AND THIS IS WHERE THE NEW CONTRACT COME TOGETHER.
AND WE DECIDED TO. AND THERE'S BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, LEGAL LANGUAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THINGS THAT WERE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF TROUP COUNTY DADDY AND THEM, FRANKLY. WELL, I'M NOT SAYING I'M FOR OR AGAINST THE CONTRACT.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I VOTE.
THAT'S JUST WHERE I AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DO WE NEED A MOTION TO TABLE THAT WE JUST. YES. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING.
OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOTION IS CARRIED. WE'LL CONTINUE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM THIS MORNING IN REFERENCE TO THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? WE'RE MAKING A MOTION THIS MORNING.
JUST THIS AFTERNOON ON THIS ANIMAL SHELTER. WE'RE JUST GETTING NUMBERS COMING BACK TO US.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING? CORRECT. WHAT? THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. AS IT SAYS, THE DESIGN, ENGINEERING AND RFP PUT IT OUT TO BID TO WHERE? THEN WE HAVE A ROCK SOLID NUMBER ON WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION COSTS WOULD BE.
AND SO THEN WHEN WE CAME BACK TO YOU, WE WOULD REALLY HAVE FOR SURE HARD NUMBERS ON THE COST TO TO GET US THERE IF WE CHOOSE TO, AND THEN ON SAVINGS, OPERATIONAL SAVINGS TO WHERE WE WOULD REALLY KNOW WHAT OUR RETURN ON INVESTMENT WOULD BE.
SO WHEN YOU COME BACK SAYING YOU HAVE ALL THIS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE I UNDERSTAND THIS MORNING IT WAS GOING TO BE THREE EMPLOYEES WORKING IN THAT FACILITY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THOSE NUMBERS CALCULATED ON WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING TO COST TO RUN THIS FACILITY.
CERTAINLY HAVE. I MEAN, HE IS REALLY JUST SPEAKING TOWARD THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL BUILDING, BUT KEITH.
KEITH WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BRINGING FORTH THE OPERATIONAL COSTS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE WHOLE THE WHOLE PICTURE IS GOING TO BE.
THAT'S CORRECT. YOU KNOW. YEAH. THIS GETS US MOVING IN THAT RIGHT DIRECTION.
ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, SO TO SPEAK, WOULD BE SKIP SMITH'S PROPOSAL TO GO AHEAD AND HELP US WITH THE DESIGN AND PUTTING IT OUT TO BID SO WE CAN GET THOSE BIDS IN AND FOR SURE SEE WHERE OUR HARD COSTS ARE.
SO WITH THIS THE THE MAX, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 43,000.
SO THAT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GETTING RIGHT AROUND SEVEN, RIGHT? IT WAS 5.6 OR 5.7 5.7% OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
AND IF YOU DO THE MATH THAT. SIR, 7% IS NOT EVEN.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. IT'S RIGHT AROUND THERE. SO HE'S ESTIMATING OR.
RIGHT. WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT THE BREAK EVEN POINT WOULD BE THAT SOMEWHERE AROUND, I GUESS A LITTLE MORE THAN SEVEN, 700,000 IS WHERE HE WOULD MAX OUT AT. AND IT'S ITEMIZED IN HIS PROPOSAL WHERE JUST THE DESIGN AND PUTTING IT OUT TO BID IS I THINK THE 3.7%. SO LIKE WE DON'T PAY THEM THE FULL AMOUNT UPFRONT, WE ONLY PAY THEM AS WORK PROGRESSES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
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YEAH. OKAY. WELL, THE 700 INCLUDES EVERYTHING.THAT INCLUDES ALSO ALL THE AMENITIES OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THE THE FURNITURE, PICTURE FURNITURE? WELL, SHE DOESN'T GET HE DOESN'T GET A PART OF THAT, THOUGH. HE ONLY GETS THE CONSTRUCTION.
WHICH I BELIEVE IS BACK TO COMMISSIONER. YEAH.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTION. AND EVERYDAY OPERATIONS AND EXPENSES.
WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO, THREE EMPLOYEES.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT A CONTRACT WITH A LICENSED VET TO BE ABLE TO BE LIKE A, AN ATTENDING VET FOR OUR FACILITY. THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND LOOK AT WHAT A CONTRACT WOULD COST FOR THAT.
SO I CAN ONCE, ONCE Y'ALL SAY, HEY, GO FOR IT.
I CAN START GETTING ALL THAT TOGETHER AND AND SEE WHAT WE GOT.
YOU DID SAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. YES, SIR.
I THINK YOU HAVE A DIRECTOR, MAYBE SOMEBODY AS AN ASSISTANT OR SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, BUT TWO OTHER EMPLOYEES. THAT WAY IF YOU HAVE ONE OUT THAT'S SICK, THE OTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IF SOMETHING REALLY BAD HAPPENS, I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN ALWAYS STEP IN AND ASSIST.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, MY MAIN GOAL IS NOT TO OPERATE AND THE THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY. MY JOB IS TO ASSIST THEM IN ANYTHING THEY NEED, YOU KNOW? SO BUT, YEAH, WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. WHO WILL ACTUALLY BE OVER THERE? IT'LL FALL. IT'LL FALL WITHIN THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND OR PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR.
OKAY. AND A LOT OF THOSE FINAL DECISIONS OF EXACT STAFFING, EXACT PROCEDURAL.
I MEAN THAT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED STAGE. SO IT'S NOT NOTHING IS IN GRANITE YET.
WE'RE JUST ASKING PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BETTER ANALYSIS.
SO YOU STIR THE QUESTION. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.
I WOULDN'T MIND LOOKING AT MAYBE HAVING SOME INTERIOR CAMERAS WHERE I CAN KIND OF ME OR THE DIRECTORS OR WHOEVER CAN KIND OF MONITOR THE HAPPENINGS OF THE INSIDE DURING THE EVENINGS AND THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. I CAN ALWAYS POP IT UP AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT BUT NO.
AND YOU, YOU WILL HAVE OUR ANIMAL CONTROL GUYS ON CALL.
SO THEY'LL BE COMING THROUGH OUT THERE AT NIGHT TO THEY HAVE TO COME OUT.
WE'LL HAVE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN COME.
AND THAT WAY IT'S GOT TO BE SET UP OR NOT. I MEAN.
WELL, NO, BECAUSE THIS IS YOU'RE TALKING LIKE I EXPLAINED BEFORE.
THIS IS ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY, NOT ANIMAL CONTROL SHELTER.
THAT'S FINE. BUT AS FAR AS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE, LIKE, A CAT ROOM AND ALL THIS STUFF? ADOPTION ROOMS? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ADOPTING.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GETTING RESCUE GROUPS TO COME IN AND HELP US.
ALL THAT. SPENCE IS GOING TO GO TO A RESCUE GROUP.
THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR ADOPTIONS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO WE'RE JUST THERE TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT THESE ANIMALS ARE BEING PICKED UP AND THE COUNTY'S GETTING THEIR SERVICE THEY ARE PAYING FOR TO MAKE SURE. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS.
YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.
ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN, ENGINEERING AND AN RFP FOR AN ANIMAL CONTROL SHELTER.
I HAVE A MOTION. MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
SEE, THE AMOUNT IS $133,717. AND THIS WAS PART OF THE OVERALL SCOPE AND BUDGET FOR THAT COURTROOM.
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THAT THEY ARE THE VENDOR THAT WE CURRENTLY USE FOR SIX COURTROOMS HERE, AND THEN THE ONE ACROSS THE JUVENILE, AND THEN THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS INTERLINKED IN ONE BASICALLY AUDIOVISUAL SYSTEM.SO THIS WAS NOT BID OUT. THEY ARE OUR OUR OUR PROVIDER FOR THIS SERVICE.
AND THEN AFTER IT'S INSTALLED, OF COURSE THEY TIE IT IN TO WHERE IT'S ALL TIED IN TOGETHER.
AND SO IT, IT IS AN ALL ENCOMPASSING SYSTEM FOR ALL THE COURTROOMS. SO, JAY, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS BECAUSE OF THE INTERCONNECTIVITY ISSUES, IT'S REALLY A SOLE SOURCE, CORRECT, TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND I MAY NOT HAVE WENT INTO THAT IN ENOUGH DETAIL THIS MORNING.
SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST.
TO TO APPROVE LIBERTY TECHNOLOGY. THEIR QUOTE FOR COURTROOM THREE.
SEE? DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
THAT MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARING.
[V. Public Hearings]
SO THIS IS I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE COME OUT OF REGULAR MEETING AND GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION. WE COME OUT OF REGULAR MEETING AND ENTER INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOTION IS CARRIED. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
MR. SCOUTS PARENTS. ALL RIGHT. MISS RUTH.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. GOOD AFTERNOON.
THE FIRST ITEM IS THE BEER AND WINE APPLICATION.
THIS WAS PLACED BY DIXIT PATEL AND HE IS LOOKING FOR A MALT BEVERAGE AND WINE.
LICENSE APPROVAL FOR 7755 WEST POINT ROAD. HE IS A NEW OWNER.
WE DID REVIEW THE APPLICATION. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WHAT WAS THE APPROVAL NUMBER, SIR? HOW MANY APPROVED IT? I DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, IN THE MEETING. WAS IT A32 VOTE OR A42 VOTE OR.
IT DOESN'T GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS? NO, IT JUST COME TO YOU.
THAT'S WHY I'M NOT SEEING IT THEN. YEAH, RIGHT.
YOU'RE USED TO SEEING THAT. I WAS STROLLING. SO THE PREVIOUS OWNERS DID.
GOTCHA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS MR. PATEL HERE WITH US? HE IS, SIR. HE IS? OKAY. WELL, HIS REPRESENTATIVE IS MR. PATEL. ALRIGHT, THAT'LL BE FINE. NO. TOMMY HENDERSON OWNS THE BUILDING.
WE DO HAVE HIS COMMERCIAL LEASE. ALL RIGHT.
SO I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FIRST. IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT HAS ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS? YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME FORTH AND SPEAK. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AS TO THE BEER AND WINE LICENSE APPLICATION FOR MR. DIXIT PATEL AT 7755 WEST POINT ROAD. SO MOVED, MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOTION IS CARRIED.
AND THIS ONE IS FRONTING ON TURKEY POINT AND IT IS WITHIN A LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
THE SURROUNDING AREA HAVE PARCELS OF VARIOUS SIZES.
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THE UNIT ITSELF WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 2280FT², WITH THREE BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHS.THE PURCHASE QUOTED VALUE IS $231,013. THE HOUSING STUDY SHOWS THAT THERE ARE 36 STANDARD BUILT HOMES, WITH AN AVERAGE OF 1898FT² AN AVERAGE YEAR BUILT IS 1993 AND AVERAGE VALUE IS 250,322. FOR THOSE 36 STANDARD BUILT HOMES, ALSO, THERE ARE FOUR MANUFACTURED HOMES WITH AN AVERAGE OF 1412 HEATED SQUARE FEET. THE AVERAGE YEAR BUILT IS 1993, AND THE AVERAGE VALUE IS $58,650.
THE PUBLIC NOTICES WERE POSTED AND THE OFFICE DID RECEIVE ONE CALL IN OPPOSITION.
ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANY MORE MANUFACTURED HOMES AROUND IN THIS AREA? THERE'S ONE. THE PARCEL 0883 ENDING IN THREE.
THERE'S ONE RIGHT THERE. THERE'S JUST TWO PARCELS UP AND ON THE FRONT PARCEL.
IT USED TO BE ONE A WHILE AGO, BUT THEY REPLACED IT WITH A STANDARD BUILT.
AND THERE'S ONE RIGHT THERE ON SOUTH WHATELY ROAD.
THAT'S RIGHT. HOW MANY? TEN. WHERE WE DID NOT GET THE SITE PLAN, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE SET WELL BACK FROM THE ROAD, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE SHAPE OF THE PARCEL.
WHICH WAS NICE. I MEAN THE 8.8 WHERE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE ROAD. SO JUST GOING TO LEAVE THE LITTLE NARROW SLIVER OF LAND BESIDE IT.
IT WAS SUBDIVIDED RECENTLY AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE PROVEN, THAT PLAT.
I THINK WE KNOW, FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU'LL GIVE IT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE THIS IS CARL, MY HUSBAND, BILLY MCCALL, AND STUFF. YES, THIS THIS.
I THINK COMMISSIONER WAS ASKING. THERE'S A SLIVER OF LAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE OF THE BLUE LINE.
SO, YES, IT WAS PURCHASED AS 15 ACRES TOGETHER, SO IT WAS SOLD FOR THE PARCEL ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
I THINK THEIR SON ON THAT PROPERTY, WE PURCHASED THAT LAND FOR SALE BY OWNER, HER MOTHER WE SUBDIVIDED IT 5 TO 10 OR 4.9. TO GO UNDER THE 3 TO 1 RULE IS WHAT IT WAS AND STUFF.
SO YES, HER MOTHER ACTUALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? Y'ALL WANT TO STAY THERE? JUST ONE SECOND. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN THIS AGAIN IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK.
AND SO I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN FAVOR.
SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
THE MAIN REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS STUFF. THE COST IT IS TO BUILD NOWADAYS IS PURE, OUTRAGEOUS.
I DO CLEARING AND GRADING EVERY DAY. WE DO SOME LOTS HERE LOCALLY FOR A BUILDER HERE IN TOWN.
AND IT'S NOT OUTRAGEOUS TO BUILD NOWADAYS. YOU KNOW, WITH AS YOUNG AS WE ARE AND STUFF, WE DON'T HAVE THE 300 OR $400,000 TO GO FINANCE TO BUILD A HOUSE.
PRETTY MUCH. SO THIS IS THE ROUTE WE'RE WANTING TO TAKE.
AND WE CLARIFIED IT'S NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD.
SO. WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT SONG? IT IS ON LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL.
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MINIMUM TWO ACRES. YES. YES. SO IF THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE ACREAGE, THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNTY.IS THAT CORRECT? YES. TO SUBDIVIDE THAT L SHAPE, IT REALLY WILL BE HARD TO DO SO BECAUSE OF THE ROAD FRONTAGE THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET. I THINK IT'S 150 NOW OF ROAD FRONTAGE. SO THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET THAT.
THERE IS NO SUBDIVIDE IT. YEAH, IT'S ALREADY SUBDIVIDED.
HOW SHOULD BE THE THE FRONT PORTION IS SUBDIVIDED OUT.
IT'S LAID OUT JUST LIKE IT IS ON THERE. IT WAS ONE PARCEL, AND THAT PORTION WAS SUBDIVIDED OUT, AND IT LEFT THE ONE TO THE LEFT, WHICH IS ABOUT FIVE ACRES.
THAT'S THE ONE, I THINK, THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE.
THE ONE THAT JAMES IS POINTING OUT. THE LONG, SLENDER ONE.
OH, I CAN'T SEE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. I CAN'T SEE IT.
SO ORIGINALLY Y'ALL BOUGHT ALL 15 ACRES. IS THAT RIGHT? AND THEN SUB. YES, SIR. OKAY. OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT'S ON THE OTHER WHAT? FIVE ACRES? NOTHING. THERE'S NOTHING ON IT. NO.
WE GOT THE BUILDING OR THE DRIVEWAY PERMIT LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND WE WENT AHEAD AND STARTED OUR DRIVEWAYS AND OUR SOMEWHAT OF THE PAD UNTIL WE CAN KNOW WHAT WE DO BEFORE WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND COMPLETELY FINISH UP AND GET THE ADDRESS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, I MEAN, AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST TWO VACANT LOTS CLEARED WITH THE DRIVEWAY AND UP THE CODE.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GIVE ONE IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT.
OKAY. HEARING NONE IN SUPPORT. OKAY. YES, SIR.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW, GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WOULD OBJECT TO THIS.
SO IF YOU'RE WELL, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS GERALD CASH. I LIVE AT 59 TURKEY POINT COURT.
I RETIRED FROM THE MILITARY BACK IN 2021, BOUGHT MY PROPERTY AND MOVED DOWN HERE TWO YEARS AGO TO LIVE ON A LAKE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS HIGH DOLLAR. HE'S NOT LYING.
THEY ARE CORRECT. IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, IT WAS QUITCLAIMED IN TWO LOTS.
THEY ARE. AND THAT'S ACCORDING TO COUNTY RECORDS.
OKAY. IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR THEY APPLIED AND WAS GRANTED THE DRIVEWAY PERMITS.
THE SIGN WAS PUT UP TO SHOW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A MANUFACTURED HOME, AND THEN IT DISAPPEARED LIKE TWO DAYS LATER, AND THEN IT REAPPEARED RIGHT AFTER THE AUGUST 14TH MEETING.
SO WHEN IT DISAPPEARED, I THOUGHT THE MATTER WAS OVER AND THAT THIS WAS DONE.
AND THEN WHEN IT REAPPEARED AFTER THE AUGUST 14TH BOARD OF ZONING AND APPEALS AND PLANNING, THEN I KNEW IT WAS BACK ON. MY NEIGHBOR, MIKE SENT ME A LINK TO A VIDEO OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. I DON'T KNOW, AND I'M NOT CALLING ANYBODY A LIAR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND MY WIFE HAD TESTIFIED BECAUSE I HAD THEM ON SPEAKERPHONE.
THEY GOT VERY RUDE WITH ME. QUICK SOUTHWARDLY YOU TURN OFF A ROCK MILLS ROAD ON THE SOUTH.
WHATLEY. SOUTH WHATLEY IS A HALF A MILE LONG.
YOU TURN RIGHT ON TURKEY POINT DRIVE. IT IS A MILE AND A HALF LONG THAT DEAD ENDS.
AND THEN MY ROAD, TURKEY POINT COURT, IS A QUARTER OF A MILE DEAD END WITH EIGHT HOMES ON IT.
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FROM THE TIME YOU TURN OFF ROCK MILLS ROAD, THERE IS ONLY 20 STANDARD BUILT HOMES, AND THAT'S ACCORDING TO PUBLIC RECORD.THE VALUE OF THE AVERAGE VALUE OF THOSE HOMES IS $330,050.
I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU RODE DOWN THERE, THAT AVERAGE IS WAY OFF.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF HOUSES DOWN THERE, THAT BOARD AND BOARDING ZONE AND THAT WAS JUST BUILT.
THERE ARE TWO MANUFACTURED HOMES, ACCORDING TO YOUR RECORDS, FROM THE TIME YOU TURN OFF ROCK MILLS ROAD TO THE TIME YOU GET IN AT TURKEY POINT COURT ON EITHER END. ONE WAS PUT THERE IN 1993, ONE THE OTHER ONE IS SITTING ON 68 ACRES, NOT TEN. I'M NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I'M NOT AGAINST THIS YOUNG COUPLE GETTING WHAT THEY WANT ON THE TEN ACRES.
MY PROBLEM IS THEY ARE CORRECT. THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED AS A 15 ACRE LOT.
IT WAS QUITCLAIMED INTO TWO SEPARATE LOTS. THE OTHER LOT IS 4.93.
THEY ALREADY HAVE DRIVEWAYS FOR BOTH LOTS. SO YOU GOT TO ONLY AS A RESIDENT OF THAT COMMUNITY, ASSUME YOU'RE FIXING TO HAVE A MANUFACTURED HOME SITTING ON TEN ACRES, WHICH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULDN'T REALLY WOULDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT. BUT I GUARANTEE YOU WE'LL BE BACK HERE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, GOING AFTER THE 4.93 WITH A MANUFACTURED HOME ON IT, BECAUSE WHY ELSE WOULD YOU QUITCLAIM THE TWO LOTS IF YOU PURCHASED IT AT 15 ACRES AND THEN SEPARATE IT WITH QUITCLAIM DEEDS THIS YEAR, AND THEN CUT TWO DRIVEWAYS? NOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO START ALLOWING MANUFACTURED HOMES TO BE PUT ON THE LAKE, THE LAKE IS, IN MY OPINION, IS TROUP COUNTY'S MOST VALUABLE RESOURCE.
THE LAKE IS WHAT BRINGS IN A LOT OF MONEY AROUND HERE.
NOW WE'RE TALKING DEAD ENDS. THE DEAD ENDS, THE DEAD ENDS ON THE ROADS.
I AGREE. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT VISIT THIS AREA PROBABLY WILL NEVER COME DOWN OUR ROAD.
I AGREE TO THAT. BUT WE VOTE FOR YOU GUYS TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT MEETS MOST, IF NOT ALL REGULATIONS FOR A MANUFACTURED HOME.
AND YOU ARE CORRECT. I THINK IT'S TWO ACRES FOR RURAL LAKE RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK IT'S THREE ACRES FOR LAKE RESIDENTIAL.
RURAL LAKE RURAL RESIDENTIAL. BUT WHERE DOES THIS END? I MEAN, IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO ALLOW MANUFACTURED HOMES TO BE PUT AROUND THE LAKE, WHERE ALL OF US PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO LIVE ON THE LAKE AND A LOT OF TAX DOLLARS, ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THE REST OF THE LOTS DOWN THERE TO HAVE MANUFACTURED HOMES? AND THEN IF WE DO, ARE Y'ALL GOING TO DECREASE MY PROPERTY VALUE WHERE I CAN CUT MY TAXES DOWN TO ALMOST NOTHING? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED? I MEAN, HONESTLY, THAT'S WHERE IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
I'M A RETIRED VET, RETIRED FEDERAL SERVICE. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE, AND I WANT Y'ALL'S PROTECTION, JUST LIKE I GAVE YOU.
GAVE YOU MY, YOU KNOW, GAVE Y'ALL PROTECTION EVERY TIME I DEPLOYED.
AND ALTHOUGH IF Y'ALL AGREE TO THIS COUPLE'S WISHES.
I'M NOT TOTALLY AGAINST IT. I GOT TWO YOUNG KIDS MYSELF, THEIR AGE.
I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE DOING IT, AND I'M NOT.
ALTHOUGH I KNOW THEY'RE FEELING LIKE I'M AGAINST IT. I'M NOT TOTALLY AGAINST IT.
BUT I CAN SEE THE FUTURE IF WE START DOWN THIS ROAD.
WELL, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO PROTECT US? THAT'S ALL I GOT.
I'M GLAD YOU SAID MR.. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH, MY CONCERN IS IF WE PUT ONE MANUFACTURER AT HOME.
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AND THE QUESTION I ASKED, WAS IT ANY MANUFACTURING HOMES NEARBY THERE? YEAH. SO WHEN THE NEXT PERSON COMES UP AND WANTS TO PUT A MANUFACTURED HOME THAT ADDS TO THE TWO.SO THEN YOU GOT THREE. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU HAD.
AND THE ONE THAT'S SITTING DOWN THERE SITTING ON 68 ACRES.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT. THERE'S. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE.
THAT'S RIGHT. BUT STILL IT'S THERE. BUT THE 4.93 BESIDE THEM WHERE THEY QUIT CLAIM.
YOU WILL SEE THAT. UNDER THE NEW UDO.
THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL PROTECTIONS FOR UNDER THAT.
WE HAVE TO HONOR THOSE APPLICATIONS AS THEY COME IN.
SO ANYTHING AFTER AUGUST 1ST, YOU CAN ONLY GO IN AGRICULTURAL.
IT'S NO MORE ON WHAT WE CALL ESSER, WHICH IS SUBURBAN OR FIVE ACRES ADJACENT THAT IT CAN A MOBILE HOME CAN BE PLACED THERE. IT'S NO LONGER AN APPLICATION WE CAN ACCEPT BECAUSE OF THE NEW ORDINANCE AS OF AUGUST 1ST.
SO HAS THERE BEEN AN APPLICATION ALREADY SUBMITTED FOR IT? YES, SIR. THIS IS WHY THEY WENT TO AUGUST 14TH, BECAUSE THE APPLICATION CAME IN BEFORE THE AUGUST 1ST WENT INTO EFFECT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 4.9, 8.9. THERE'S NO APPLICATION.
WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS AND ONE IS THEIRS, AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE FOR ANOTHER LOCATION.
WE HAVE NO OTHER APPLICATION ON FILE FOR THAT LOCATION OR ANY OTHER LOCATION THAT'S NOT AG.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO. WE WON'T ACCEPT ANY APPLICATIONS BECAUSE IT IS SOME LAKESIDE RESIDENTIAL.
AND YOU SAID INITIALLY THAT YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I'M OKAY WITH THE WAY HE'S GOT.
YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IF ANOTHER ONE IS COMING, IF THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT COMES IN THERE ANYWHERE IN THERE, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'LL BE MOVING. RIGHT? BUT BASED ON OUR NEW POLICIES, THAT'S. THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE. OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THE APPLICATION CAME IN BEFORE THE FIRST.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. YEAH. BECAUSE THE WAY HE THE WAY HE GOT HIS LAND PURCHASED, THAT IS A GOOD LONG STRIP THAT RUNS FROM THE ROAD DOWN TO THE OPEN AREA.
AND HE HAS TEN ACRES. AND WITH THE WAY WHERE HE SAID HE'S GOING TO LOCATE IT IN THE FALL, YOU MIGHT SEE THE ROOF, YOU MIGHT SEE THE TOP PART OF THE HOME, BUT THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE.
AND IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT VISUAL BECAUSE THEY THEY MAY COME IN, THEY MAY BE THE CLEANEST, CLEANEST PEOPLE HAVE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL YARD DOWN THERE.
IT'S NOT ABOUT SEEING. IT'S HONESTLY ABOUT PROTECTION AND PROPERTY VALUES FOR ME, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHEN I DIE, I'LL PROBABLY LIVE THERE TILL THE DAY I DIE.
UNLESS Y'ALL ALLOW A BUNCH OF MOBILE HOMES DOWN THERE.
AND. AND WHEN I DIE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN INVESTMENT FOR MY CHILDREN AND SO FORTH.
AND THE WAY TROUP COUNTY IS ALREADY GROWING WITH, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS AND WAREHOUSING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I JUST DON'T WANT ALL THAT PILED UP ON ME. UNDERSTOOD.
RIGHT. I WILL SAY THE ONE THAT IS RIGHT TO THE EAST OF IT, THE MH.
YES. THAT'S 60 ACRES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES.
NO. NO, YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN THERE.
I'VE NEVER BEEN DOWN THERE. YOU DO NOT KNOW IT? YEAH, I'M UP IN THE FRONT YARD. I MEAN, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING DOWN THERE.
DOG KENNELS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND AND IT'S IT'S A FINE PLACE TO LIVE.
ONCE YOU START DOWN THAT ROAD, IT'S A NEVER ENDING CYCLE.
AND BECAUSE THE NEXT PERSON'S GOING TO BE HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU ALLOW THEM TO HAVE IT.
ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW ME TO HAVE IT? THAT AIN'T FAIR.
AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ATTORNEYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I'VE ALREADY I'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE GOVERNMENT. I'VE FOUGHT ALL THAT WITH AIR FORCE BASES SITTING THERE BEFORE OTHER COUNTRIES, TELLING THEM WHY WE WANT TO COME IN AND LAND ON THAT RUNWAY.
AND IT'S IT'S NOT A GOOD THING. I KNOW IT WAS MY PLEASURE, MAN.
Y'ALL PAY ME. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR COMMENT.
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OKAY. MY NAME IS MIKE FOGG. I LIVE AT 31 TURKEY POINT COHORT JUST DOWN THE ROAD NEXT.NEXT DOOR TO HIM. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO VOICE THE SAME CONCERNS YOU GOT.
YOU KNOW, THE EFFECT ON OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW AS YOU CAN SEE FROM FROM THAT AERIAL PHOTO, THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN LAND DOWN THERE.
NO HOUSES. SO IS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO POSSIBLY SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COME AND WANT TO PUT MOBILE HOMES OUT THERE RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM US.
NO HOUSES. AND, YOU KNOW, OUR IMMEDIATE CONCERN IS ONE, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME POINT, SOME SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO START PUTTING TRAILERS OVER THERE. SO THAT'S OUR THAT'S THE TWO MAIN CONCERN PROPERTY VALUE AND YOU KNOW IN THE FUTURE IT GROWING TO MORE MOBILE HOMES OUT THERE. SO BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO MORE CAN GO THERE.
YEAH. JUST THE SUBDIVISION. IT HAS NO MOBILE HOMES ALLOWED ON THEIR SUBDIVISION PLAT.
TELL ME, HOW DID THOSE ONE ACRE LOTS GET IN THERE? THAT WAS THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS DONE, I THINK, AROUND THE LATE 1980S, EARLY 1990S.
YEAH. SO THAT PLANT STILL IS STILL IN EFFECT? YES. THE PLAT IS IN IS FILED AT CLERK OF COURT.
SO THEY ARE ONE ACRE LOTS AND THERE WILL BE ONE ACRE LOTS UNLESS SOMEBODY JOINS THEM.
SO BACK TO THE FIRST TEAM ASSIGNMENT. DID Y'ALL GET A CALL ON THAT? WE DID GET A CALL. WE WENT OUT AND PUT IT BACK UP AS SOON AS WE GOT THAT CALL, SO WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT WAS DOWN.
IT ACTUALLY WAS NOT TAKEN. IT WAS ACTUALLY THERE.
IT JUST FELL OVER. OH. WELL, IT FELL OVER. WAS IT? HOW WAS IT PUT IN THE GROUND TO START WITH? WELL, WE JUST HAVE THOSE SLENDER, YOU KNOW, THOSE SMALL SIGNS.
I KNOW, BUT SOMETIMES WE MAY THINK THAT IT IS ALL THE WAY IN, BUT ALL YOU COULD DO, EITHER SOMEBODY CAN PUSH IT OVER OR JUST PULL IT OUT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO THE POINT. YEAH. NOW YOU'RE GETTING TO THE POINT OF IT.
YEAH. THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN ANOTHER LOCATION.
WELL, THOSE ARE FOR REZONINGS. THE LITTLE ONES ARE FOR THE MANUFACTURED HOME UNITS AND VARIANCES, BUT FOR THE BIG SIGNS ARE FOR THE REZONINGS. WELL, IT'S DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE THE CITIZENS OUT THERE, IF THE SIGNS DOWN AND THEY WERE HAVING THE BUILDING AND ZONING MEETING AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE WAS GOING TO BE UNTIL AFTER THE SIGN CAME UP.
THAT WAS THAT. I JUST WISH SOMEBODY COULD HAVE BEEN AT THE BUILDING AND ZONING AND SAID, HEY, THE SIGN WAS DOWN AND I'D LIKE FOR THE SIGN TO BE CONTINUED UP FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS OR SO.
IT IS UP NOW, AND I KNOW IT'S UP NOW, BUT WE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF VOTING AND MOVING ON WITH YOU TOO, MISS RUTH. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST WANTING TO TABLE IT FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS.
SO. WELL, I'M JUST SITTING HERE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT THAT THEY WENT FOR THE BUILDING AND ZONING BOARD, AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE DATE BECAUSE THE SIGN WAS DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT I'M AT. WELL, WE CAN ALWAYS CHECK PRIOR TO IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
SO IT WASN'T SO OKAY. AND WE DO REPLACE IT QUICKLY.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN EXACTLY, YEAH.
IT'S MORE OF A CONCERN FOR THE FUTURE. OKAY. OKAY.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY? I'M GAIL DAVIS.
I LIVE AT 839 TURKEY POINT DRIVE. AND MY THING IS GOING BACK TO THE SIGN.
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THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THE BEGINNING OF TURKEY POINT DRIVE THAT DOESN'T COME DOWN TO MY HOUSE.OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO ALMOST BE IN ALABAMA TO GET TO MY HOUSE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
BUT THEY DON'T SEE THE SIGN. SO I THINK THE SIGN NEEDS TO BE PUT UP WHERE SOUTH WHATLEY INTERSECTS WITH WITH TURKEY POINT. BECAUSE THOSE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT MIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE TONIGHT MAY NOT EVEN KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND THEN THE SIGN AGAIN WAS DOWN. BUT I THINK THAT IT WAS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN TO MAYBE, PERHAPS TWO SIGNS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT RESIDENTS THAT WOULD NEVER COME DOWN TURKEY POINT DRIVE UNLESS THEY WANT TO TURN AROUND IN THE CUL DE SAC. AND THAT THAT WAS MY CONCERN THAT EVERYONE ON THE ROAD MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. AND OF COURSE, AS I SENT AN EMAIL TO MR. SCOTT ABOUT THE PROPERTY VALUES, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT AFFECTS THOSE AND THE VALUE OF MY HOUSE AND WHAT IS IT GOING TO MEAN TO MY CHILDREN LATER ON.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE CONSIDERED TOO.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ALRIGHT. HEARING NONE. IS THIS THE FIRST READING? IT IS VOTING ELIGIBLE. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
ONE MORE TIME. WOULD YOU SAY THE NEW UDO? WOULD YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHAT IT STATES COMPARED TO WHEN THIS APPLICATION WAS MADE? THE APPLICATION WAS MADE PRIOR TO THE AUGUST 1ST WHEN IT WENT INTO EFFECT.
OKAY. SO. AND THERE'S NONE OF THOSE ZONED IN THIS THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF AGRICULTURE.
OH. I DON'T HAVE ANY. YEAH. SO THIS WHOLE AREA, THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY THAT WOULD BE DONE.
IT WOULD BE THE LAST ONE. THE LAST APPROVAL. OKAY.
SO THE OTHER TWO ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. DID THEY GET.
YES, SIR. AND IF TO BE TO STATE IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT OUT THOSE OUT TO A NEW MANUFACTURED HOME.
IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE BECAUSE THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED IN.
SO DID THEY GET THE DRIVEWAY PERMIT? BOTH OF THEM OR PERMITS? THEY SAID THEY PUT DRIVEWAYS IN. DID THEY GET THE PERMITS? I DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE IF THEY HAVE A PERMIT, BUT NORMALLY.
I LIKE MOTION. OKAY. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. IT IS APPROVED THEN. AND THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
AND I THINK AS WE STAY TONIGHT, SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE COMING IN OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WILL ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR Y'ALL'S CONCERNS. BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM, MISS RUTH. YES.
THIS IS ZONED SUBURBAN, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE SURROUNDING AREA HAS PARCELS ALSO OF VARIOUS SIZES.
THE UNIT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 1736FT² WITH THREE BEDROOMS, TWO BATHS, AND THE PURCHASE QUOTE VALUE IS $186,732. THE HOUSING STUDY. AND TO CLARIFY THE VALUES.
THESE ARE VALUES THAT WE FOUND FROM PROPERTY APPRAISAL.
WE DO NOT GO OUTSIDE OF PROPERTY. PROPERTY APPRAISAL TO FIND VALUES BECAUSE WE CAN'T VERIFY THOSE.
AVERAGE YEAR BUILT IS 1992 AND THE AVERAGE VALUE IS 131,000 AND I THINK $745.
ALSO, THERE ARE SIX MANUFACTURED HOMES WITH AN AVERAGE OF 1388FT².
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AVERAGE YEAR BUILT IS 1991 AND AVERAGE VALUE IS $55,066.THE PUBLIC NOTICES WERE POSTED AND OFFICE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC.
THIS IS THE FIRST READING AND VOTE ELIGIBLE. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MA'AM. MISS RUTH, IS IT WAS IT A MOBILE HOME OR A MANUFACTURED HOME ALREADY THEN ON THIS ACTUALLY, IT'S A NEW ONE. THAT'S WHY THEY CAN COME BEFORE US.
BECAUSE IT'S NEW. IF IT WAS A REPLACEMENT, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN IT.
DID YOU GET ANY CALLS? NO, SIR. WE HAVEN'T. OKAY.
I THINK THAT ISN'T. I THINK REED ROAD WAS WHERE THE TORNADO WAS PART OF THAT AREA.
YES, SIR. IF YOU GIVE US YOUR YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
KIND OF REDUNDANT, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND. YES, MA'AM.
YES, SIR. MY NAME IS ANTHONY WARD. I LIVE AT 58 WEST CROSSROAD, LOT NUMBER 18.
BUT. YEAH. NO, RIGHT NEXT TO THE BARN. IT ALSO WAS AN ATTACHMENT, BUT THE TORNADO CAME THROUGH.
IT COLLAPSED THE ROOF. SO IT WAS LITERALLY JUST WALLS STANDING UP.
SO GOT THOSE KNOCKED DOWN, BUT IT ALSO WAS A TREE.
YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT HERE, BUT IT'S LIKE A GIANT PIT RIGHT OFF THAT SLAB OF CONCRETE.
OKAY, MR. WARD. WELL, IF YOU'LL HOLD FOR A SECOND.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
NO, SIR. I'M GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. THEN I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT.
MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. DO I HAVE A SECOND? MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND, MR. CHAIR. MOTION TO APPROVE.
YEAH. OKAY. AND I HAVE A SECOND. A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. ALL VOTES HAVE BEEN CAST. MOTION HAS BEEN APPROVED.
THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARING SESSION.
I HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALRIGHT.
THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.